Watson Lortab Formula Change (Page 3) (Top voted first)

Does anyone know what Watson did or why they changed their formula for Lortab 10/500? It used to be blue and when I picked up my refill today they are now white. I still have a few days of my blue left but I swapped a few so I can try the white. I'm waiting for it to start working and I took it over 2 hours ago. My rx is 1-2 every 3 hours not to exceed 7 in a day. (my pm dr wants me on a stronger med but anything above hydrocodone makes me euphoric and I can't function) The blue color lortab starts to work within 15 mins. I took my first white color lortab 2 hours ago, waited an hour and took the 2nd and nothing. I will wait 30 mins longer and switch back to the blue until I run out. This sucks. I'm a full time law student, disabled, single mom and can't use my dominate arm because the pain level is too high. (My shoulder dislocates every time I move my arm, even after 3 surgeries the last one being a bone transplant to the shoulder.) Sorry about any typos, I am typing with my left hand and don't have the coordination in this arm/hand that I do with my right. Thank you for any information that you can provide me.

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On my Hydro I get 3Refills so I just call them in. But I too go back to the doc every 3 months.

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Read your letter and am in agreement totally. This new generic from ACT sucks big time. There's worse side effects for me, unbearable. I'm in constant pain and more sick than ever before. I don't know how the girl above gets her Norco by only going to the doctor once every six months. I have to go in every month. And yes, you too my dear here in California will also lose yours and you won't be so "happy" I live in central California, where ever you are and whatever your doctors name is, I want it. The pharmacies are giving the run around also. They say they can get it, but then they can't. They huddle in middle having a conversation about the Norco, come back and say no I didn't say we would be able to get them. But you just told me you could fill my script for $622 for180 of them. There is something going on with the pharmacies also. If you get a group together I'm in, please. I've contacted our local newspaper, Activis and Watson without reply.

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I'm assuming since not that many are complaining, that they have either called or had their doctors appointment, & got either a different brand or medicine. I just want everyone to know that Actavis said they did not have to get them FDA approved, but had to drop the dye as most likely part of the deal, no doubt they were a great company, but times are changing & big Pharma rules everything, your banks, grocerry, & much more to give you an idea, Im a licensed pharmacist & NO IT'S NOT IN YOU GUYS HEAD, THIS PRODUCT WAS PUSHED SO FAST LEAVING LITTLE TO KNOW SPACE FOR DETAIL IN QUALITY & PRINTING THE SAME CODED PILL & THE NAME " WATSON", they only had to report it as it was & that's where it gets tricky. My friend has a special patent lawyer & I'm hoping to get them to have this stuff tested as many are having serious side affects, keep calling & complaining that's how any manor company will have to answer to their Lies. I know that these don't dissolve all the way & I'm thinking the hydro is in the part that's not dissolving I'm not recommending anything but I would break one up into a powder & let lay under tongue as long as I can take it. Report this nonsense & your symptoms to both your local pharmacy & doctor. See pharmacies sign contracts w/ Pharma companies, so best to by from a more local smaller business & then they can order any brand that may work better for people. This company is the worst, & the sad thing is, when your a fortune 500 company you can get away w/ anything, write or call the American Medical Inst. Just don't let anyone say it's in your head, you looked for this thread & it came to you for a purpose. Good luck to all of you in pain & Godbless.

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I am in the process of reporting this to the FDA and Actavis (the company that used to be Watson) I suffered for ten days with these crappy white Watsons, and I got my pharmacy to swap them out for some other generics, the blue M's, and I noticed a major difference from the first one I took. I will never get Watsons again! They are CRAP and do not help with pain!!! If anyone out there is suffering with the new white Watsons, you could call your pharmacy and see if they will swap them out for you. And if you suffered like I did, you could file a complaint with the FDA, so maybe with enough complaints they will launch an investigation against this Actavis company.

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Post a reply to what? I would like to know how to make the best possible use with MedChat, which should mean being able to communicate! The comments are scattered, so I have no idea how to connect or answer a person with a question.
Is there a tutorial available for you site?

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What baffles me, this whole movement to stop America from using pain medicine will spark a situation simillar to prohibition. People who are good law abiding citizens will have to get them illegally. i think the bigger picture is People with dibilitating chronic pain dont work, they can't. This govt seems to favor those who work and PAY TAXES...i'm afraid those of us who cannot work are not a priority with this govt. I fear the future as my pain is getting worse while the med getting weaker. Who really cares right?

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I live in ky and hydros can be called in. percs can't but hydrocodone can be. this forum was created to address the problems so many of us are having due to the change in the formulas of the meds. can we just stick with that.

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Ok norcos are garbage!! They took the acetaminophen out of lortab 10/500 n changed to 10/325 n said u can take a half of a Tylenol when u take ur meds....ummmm I take it 4 times a day and that is far more acetaminophen than taking the lortab 10's!!!! Stupid move I have chronic pain from my MS symptoms!! Dumb move DEA everyone doesn't abuse their meds!! Smh

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Ok, I'm going to drop a bomb here.. And there was a time when I cared how "in trouble" I would get by letting this bit of info out but I'm sick of these pharm companies.. Ok, no the formula of Hydrocodone and APAP has not changed except the lawful regulation of the mg. reduction BUT what the huge bit of info here the new binder formula contains naltrexone hydrochloride.. in low dose.. I'm not going any further.. Look it up and you'll get it..

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Hello again all - & a new hello to those who have dropped in with their comments since I last posted mine. I first want to apologize because in my last post I said I would get back on here to let y'all know how things went on the next dr visit & if I could find an alternative to the dread worthless Norcos (might as well be fricken M&Ms as far as I'm concerned.) I have been trying to get back on here but my cell is a pain to type on even with swype, and my laptop is a beastly thing that weighs a metric ton - I have torn ligaments/tendons & tendonitis in my arm, not to mention pain from Lupus, Fibromyalgia, Arthritis, ITP (they say it doesn't cause pain but the excessive bleeding can & does cause pain & fatigue) & herniated disks in my back making it difficult to even lift this laptop and type for prolonged periods of time.

So thats a rehash of my conditions (well not all - I am also dealing w Bell's Palsy and ungodly amounts of pain from broken teeth from years of too many prescribed corticosteroid treatments. (NOT meth, ewww, gross, but of course thats what people think of me when I open my mouth - despite the many thousands spent on crowns, bridges, partials spacers, extractions, fillings, dry mouth gels/rinses, etc. I am in my 30s, single, and likely to remain that way as lets face it, no one wants to kiss someone with a mouthful of rotten/missing teeth lost from years of taking poisons like prednisone and chemo from doctors oblivious to the dangers of prolonged high-dose usage. The treatments were often worse than the disease itself anyways, & rarely ever helped. When my conditions got so bad that I had to quit working & pursuing goals I had worked a lifetime toward, I went on disability and fell into a downward spiral of poverty and debt that keeps me enslaved and unable to afford treatments/surgeries I know could help me get a quality of life back.

I do not date. I do not work. I do not see my friends. I rarely ever talk to maybe just 1 or 2 friends every 3-6 months or so. I do not see my family. I haven't seen my own 91 year old grandmother in nearly 2 years because life on SSI disability keeps me too poor to afford to fix my car and register it so I can go see her. I can't even drive myself to the doctor because the Bell's Palsy effected my vision, and I haven't been able to afford car registration. The only way I can even get to the doctor is at the mercy of a friend of my mom's who takes pity on me. I have lost any and all semblance of independence. I am incredibly lonely but I hate to be seen because of the assumptions people make of me due to my teeth (or lack thereof now.) I can't even afford dentures (again I'm only in my 30s and I've had probably about $40K worth of dental work done over the years already! The prednisone just destroyed all that worked in less than 3 short years.

Oh and I love to cook too. Sometimes I cook things just to do it and smell it, even though I couldn't possible chew it. Sometimes I try to let it sit in some kind of sauce and get soggy and swallow it down, oh what I wouldn't give for dental implants and a SOLID meal!

Basically...

I am living in HELL.Correction - "existing", as no one could consider this "living".

If I don't get something done about my teeth I will likely die sooner than later from the infections and absesses, and there really isn't anyone who will help me in any way, and very few left in my life who would even mourn my passing.

I am the crux of the Fallen who dwell between the forgotten cracks of bureaucratic "herd-culling" and systematic soul-harvesting. Disease grips you, but the destruction it heaps onto your body is like a skinned knee compared to the Red Tape 3-Ring Circus of health insurance loops, hoops to jump and hope-shattering denials that whittle away at your spirit while the disease ravages your stress--weakened body. Then your landlords, business associates, bank, so-called friends and family take everything you ever worked for, putting you in so much financial debt and leaving you so emotionally bankrupt you fear you will never see the light of day again. You start to miss things you hated, like standing in line at the DMV, driving in rush hour on the 405 to the airport. Simple pleasures like laying down in your own bed - or any bed for that matter - taking a drive and listening to music - laying on the couch or sitting in your favorite chair watching tv or reading a book - simple pleasures seem as far away and unattainable as the top of Mt. Everest, or a star on the Walk of Fame.

Life after losing everything and everyone dear to me - or losing the ability to be around the few people who didn't abandon me when things got rough - has been a constant torture.

First thought in the morning is OH DEAR GOD WHY AM I IN SO MUCH PAIN??? WAS I IN AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING?!?!?! Last thought before I fall asleep in the broken chair in someone's living room (because I cant afford anything else on SSI) is WHY GOD DID THIS HAPPEN TO ME??? I have always tried to be a good person. I have always done unto others as I'd have done unto me. I have done good deeds my whole life. I have fought passionately for causes I believed in. I have organized foundations and charity events and toy drives for those in need. I am not a saint but I do not feel I deserve this accursed, painful existence.

With the pain meds, I could manage ok most of the time.

Without the pain meds that I need (I have taken VICODIN HP for 13+ years but was prescribed LORCET/LORTAB before and it did help a lot as well.) - life is becoming increasingly harder to bear, and I still have some living I need to do dammit!

Oh dear me. I'm so sorry for the Pity Party of 1 here, I know we're all hurting, wah wah woes me. I know my pain isnt special or significant or any worse than anyone else. I am just very, very much alone in the world, regrettably so considering a few years ago I had more "friends" than I could keep in touch with, and was getting to know parts of my family for the first time. But people get really funny when ya get ill, and then they get really gone.If you've stuck this far here's the helpful bits (I may have to post this twice so it gets read!)

Ok - so here's the best advice I can give: SCREW NORCO!!!! Do NOT believe your doctors and pharmacists when they say its the only hydrocodone pain reliever available on the market- its NOT! (C'MON FOLKS! Do y'all really think the entire pharm industry is gonna slaughter their best selling cash cows? I THINK NOT.)

Ask your dr to prescribe the reformulated VICODIN HP. Its the closest you're gonna get to the old Vicodin/Lortab/Lorcet for now. (Until ZoHyDro comes out, & people who have a horse in the race are trying awfully hard to thwart that before it even comes out (ie the "addiction specialists", the Masochists who have turned addiction into a multi-billion dollar industry running these BS rehab clinics where they just hand out Suboxone & mud massages at $30K a month - see ya again in a couple months! Their ignorant non-medically based hippy-dippy luxory spa facilities and practices actually promote addiction and kill people quicker than the drugs do! Ive lost several friends fresh out of rehab - 1 only 24 hours in! But i digress..)

I fully believe that dr's need to be judicious and cautious about what they prescribe, how much and to whom. All of us here have legitmate pain & disease, but it does no favors to bury heads in the sand about the problem of addiction. Like I said, I've got a few friends who have their heads buried in the sand - as well as the rest of them - 6 ft under. I have shed rivers of tears I thought would never run dry for those I've lost. But I'm going to be totally honest here, at the risk of sounding callous- they were addicts, they played with fire and it eventually consumed all that they were. Many of them were dead long before they were ever pronounced so by a coroner. I miss my friends, I'll always love them, but they made stupid decisions, thought they were infallible, immortal, they took far too much of their drug of choice and it eventually took them down in exchange. In nearly every overdose case I have known of, the death was the result of MIXING MULTIPLE DRUGS, usually some combo of hydrocodone and oxycodone, sedatives like Valium, Klonopin or Xanax, lots of wine and or whiskey, usually coke, often antidepressents like Paxil, Zoloft, Prozac et al, & very often cough meds like Tussin w Codeine. (I should point out I worked in the music industry a very long time, and lived in Hollywood, so I've seen a lot of talented people come ago. I met Michael Jackson less than 3 months before he died. His doctors did him an injustice. He shouldn't have had to pay for it with his life. AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THESE DOCTORS AND CELEBRITIES BAD CHOICES AND MISTAKES WITH OUR QUALITY OF LIFE!!!!!!

I only brought up the addiction thing because it is the ONLY argument keeping us from our medicine that allows us to FUNCTION! Oh, well, that and the liver argument - which frankly I think is largely a crock o' crap. I have taken Vicodin at high doses for well over a decade and nary a problem with my liver there be! When I realized that my pain was going to be a chronic issue, I made the decision to stop social drinking all together. (Being in the industry, my social outtings were often also work related, so I always made sure to keep sharp. That & I was usually always the driver, I have ALWAYS taken care not to drink and drive, I've lost a cousin and friends to drunk drivers. So I don't mess around with that. But when it became clear the meds were gonna be a part of my life til I found a magical healing pool of water to be baptized in, I made the conscious choice to cut out alcohol, save for maybe a small glass of champagne on New Year's, maaaaaaybe 1 - margarita or beer on my birthday. So its great that the FDA is suddenly all concerned about our livers, but for those of us who's livers are working great, BACK OFF! Save the Norco for the drinkers or those with liver problems.

I always found Norco to be a worthless drug. Granted I've taken some brands that worked better than others, but in general one HALF a Vic-HP, Lorcet or Lortab worked better than taking 2 Norcos at once! But I also know many people with chronic pain from Fibro, Arthritis, back injuries, hip and knee replacements, etc & so on, who took Norco and it worked fine for them - til all this reformulation stuff started. (And the Norco allegedly hasn't been reformulated since it always contained 325mg of acetaminophen which is now the new max. But if this is true, THEN WHY ARE ALL THE NORCO PATIENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT LACK OF PAIN RELIEF TOO?!?! Hmmm?? oO)

My guess is the FDA has done something to ALL OF IT. I dunno what or why. My best theory - conspiracy though it may be - the legislators & doctors spearheading the campaigns to stop ZohydroER (the new extended release Hydrocodone equivalent of Oxycontin) all have some things in common. You can do your own research an astute observation will point these things out. I'll give you one - most of them are alleged "addiction specialists", the people making BANK off of convincing people taking the prescribed amount of a medication daily is addiction - & offering high priced luxury spa treatments instead of any actual medical or psychological counseling for addiction. These folks LOVE to dole out Suboxone - the 21st century methadone that costs about $300-$400 without insurance and has withdrawals worse than H (which is about $20-$40 by way of comparison. See the picture starting to take shape here?)

I've even heard rumour (on here if you dig back about 50 or so replies) that SOME of the Pharm manufacturers are actually BINDING the new Norcos with an opiate blocker! Now that sounds like crazy talk, especially considering the EXTREME health risks of taking narcotic meds and opioid blockers together. But unless you get the little printout that's attached to the manufacturer bottles that shows the little chemical diagram & lists the inactive ingredients, I guess its not outside the realm of possibility.

**Note - I DID get the little printout with the chemical compound for the newly reformulated generic of Vicodin-HP (10mg of hydrocodone/300 of acetaminophen) from Boca Pharmaceuticals and it did not list any nefarious or questionable ingredients.

This drug is the closest I have found to the pain relief I was getting from the original 10/660 Vicodin HP or the 10/650 of Lorcet or the 10/500 of Lortab.

Even though it seems like less medicine - I SWEAR IT WORKS BETTER THAN THE NORCOS! You can always take an extra tylenol or half of one, which defeats the FDA's alleged liver-saving purposes, but just be careful and keep within the guidelines.

**(sub)NOTE: Many pharmacists will tell you that Vicodin HP no longer exist. They swear Norco is the only hydrodone/acetaminophen combo drug on the market now. B^%$#O#%!!!! If you have your doctor write "Vicodin Hp - 10/300" or even "Hydrocodone 10mg/Acetaminophen 300) the pharmacist suddenly produces it.

***(PostSubNOTE) Many pharmacists will also tell you that NAME BRAND VICODIN HP does not exist. They swear that it does not - that is until your doctor writes you a rx stating DO NOT SUBSTITUTE WITH GENERIC. BAM! Suddenly the name brand from ABBOTT LABS avails itself.

***HOWEVER****

It is my perseverance and that of others I know who have had it that the name brand ABBOTT Vicodin HP for some reason DOES NOT WORK AS WELL as the generic Vicodin HP from BOCA pharmacies (I'm not sure how many other generics exist if any, this is all i've found thus far). I have no explaination for this, other than that I haven't seen Abbott's little chemical diagram and inactive ingredient list, but I still have a hard time believing a drug co would mix opiates w opiate blockers as its highly DANGEROUS.

So, sorry for spilling my hard life story. I hope you made it to the helpful bits. I want to add that my dr also has me taking Percocet 5/325 in addition to the Vicodin HP 10/300. I am still in pain most all of the time. Some days are better than others. I am NOT a drug addict, and I do not feel that I nor anyone here should have to pay for the mistakes made by those who abuse medications. I also don't think doctors should hand out meds like candy to everyone who walks in the door with a hangnail or slight ache. I am a Middle Bear kind of gal, I see both sides I think a happy medium can exist between patients suffering in pain because of addicts' actions, and the Dr. Feelgood's and Mr. Brownstones who turn people into addicts in the first place. The pain is NOT in our heads. The CHANGE in the new meds is NOT in our HEADS. The pain is in our LIVES. We are not addicts, we are PEOPLE made up of flesh and blood and bone and muscle and ligament and tendon - and those bits that make up our physical being is where the PAIN exists. Chronic pain can feel so consuming, it seems at times like you were forged from pain itself. Why on earth would doctors or the FDA deny people who feel like this a little bit of relief??? Their actions are destroying lives! Please just let us have our pain medication! Deal with the idiot celebutantes and Richie Rich thrill seekers as you come across them. Don't you know, the harder you make something to acquire, the more the spoiled rich brats HAVE to have it! FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS! I'm sorry but if you abuse meds or take 200 pills in a day and carelessly mix meds, alcohol and street drugs and end up dead- well, you kinda brought it upon yourself! WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SUFFER FOR THE BAD DECISIONS OF A FEW IRRESPONSIBLE PARTY ANIMALS WHO LIVE FAST AND DIE YOUNG, AND GREET EACH DAY LIKE IT WERE A BACCHANALIA!!!

*deep breath* Forgive my long-winded tyrade but haven't we all just had quite enough of this crap?!?!

Wishing blessings and sending all the positive healing I can muster to spare to each and every one of you all.

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I just looked at my bottle and it does not say what you sad yours states. I was getting the Watson {blue} at Walgreens for years and now they are white. Shape is still the same just not the color anymore.

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Wing chun is a good system to learn and will help you reduce the number of pain meds you depend on. Anyway many pharmicutical companies change formulas for one reason. Money, or maybe problems with certain aditives that are used to bind these tablets together. First of all you should know better being a lawyer if 1 tab doesn't work call your DR and explain what is going on. Never take a extra dose. I feel for you with your shoulder problem but like you I had surgery on my brain, and back I understand what you are going through. Advise about medications. You can ask the pharmist what generics come in those Name Brands. You are a consumer and have rights. Feel better..

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Yes I know this is not in my head. I was also very upset becouse my prescription I picked up today was exactly twice the price of what I have been paying. So now they dont work and rob me blind. I think if everyone started complaining to the manufacturers they would be forced to do something. I am not in as bad of a boat as some of the others on here becouse I get Oxycontin and Loratabs and I am thankful. I think doctors are going to be forced to switch more people to stronger meds due to this dye nonsense

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Please let the FDA know about these problems! FDA is not making anyone change these drugs. DEA is not making anyone change these drugs. If a doctor wants someone on a lesser amount of something it isn't because FDA is making them do it. If your new white pain meds do not work, please, please report it to the FDA AND to Watson. This is the only way these companies will have to answer the question why are so many people having problems with the new stuff.

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So I've been taking the new white ones for over a month. Still having problems with them. I have to take more and the relief wears off faster, plus I feel drugged. I've been trying to take the least amount of medicine possible to feel normal and function. I used to take a half four times a day of the orange ones and I was fine, now if I take a half these don't work at all, and the whole one wears off within four hours and my neck, shoulders and back hurt. Not as bad as when I had no medicine, but not good. I also have to take muscle relaxers, too, as these do not help much. I hate feeling drugged. Don't pharmacists know anything? I called the pharmacist to complain and they said the only change made was taking the dye out. Well, I can tell they did more than take the dye out because they do not work right! Another thing is the white ones feel addicting.

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I have an idea; send samples of the different pills to a private lab for testing. I believe that the binders they are putting in with the active ingredients might not be so benign as "just" being a binder! Everyone commenting as if they actually have a clue as to what is in each pill needs to get a clue!! You have no idea, and won't until you have taken them to a lab for testing!! Then you may find that it is time to run these companies out of business thru litigation for poisoning you?! Just a thought!! Oh, and why would acetiminophen(?) be in there in the first place? Does anyone really believe that this helps the pain in any way? People need to quit falling on their knees just because someone puts on a white lab coat and uses a couple of three or four syllable words!! That doesn't make them your friends and automatically mean that they are doing what is in your best interests!!

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I'm sorry but the DEA is Now Making Lots Of Healthcare Choices For Us All. I live In Florida And The DEA is doing Raids On Pharmacies. The DEA Won't let The Pharmacies Order But A Small Amount Of Pain Medication, So When You Go To Fill Your, Legal Prescription They Won't Have It.The DEA Is Telling Doctors What Kind Of Medication Not To Give If You Get Some Other Medicine. Just Look At Florida And Expect This To Come To Your State. And It Is Only Getting Worse.

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End war on drugs, where did you get your info? I have spoken to DEA and have been assured they do not have the ability to tell a drug company to change its' formula and they cannot tell a pharmacy how many of a drug they carry, unless maybe the pharmacy has so much on hand it is suspicious. Many pharmacy workers will tell people anything to cover up their inability to make timely orders, and many pharmacies are limiting themselves on pain meds on hand in order to not be a target for thieves. Watson changed their formulas because they bought Activas and Activas makes cheap drugs.

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WHY IS NOBODY POSTING MESSAGES ANYMORE? SINCE THIS NEW PILLS THAT DO not work have ben waking up crying in excruciating back pain..this has never happened to me but a few times when i slept like 12 hours or so and i have not been coming close to sleeping that long these last few weeks. these pills r a joke.and someone needs to do something about it.

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an excuse totally. It's the same for the Norco 835. I've tried the generic, it doesn't relieve any pain but causes a lot of new side effects. It's the pharmacy. Dropping the color (suggesting that's the healing power) is ridiculous. I would like to see a report where the color has been the problem. If it works, stop trying to fix it. Watson is paying out millions of dollars to the mfg but not there long time patients. They should also be forced to supply medical treatment to overcome the "color". I believe it's called Obama care. I need help now

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