Taking Subutex And Percocet Together (Page 20) (Top voted first)

My doctor just put me on subutex along with percocet. I've been on percocet for yrs for severe and chronic migraines. He told me to take the subutex and if it doesn't work to take a percocet. I usually take 15 mg percocet at a time. I've read some stuff online that worries me. Some people say if you take percs with subutex you'll go into withdrawals. I went through severe withdrawals with fioricet months ago and I don't want to go through that hell again. I took my first subutex about an hour ago and I still have a migraine so I want to take a perc now. Can I do that or will I get sick?

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ANNA: Would you like me to explain to you why you are wrong? Another expert speaking with such authority, and is yet so completely WRONG.

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You take your Subutex then the perc... if you take an opiate blocker then take an opiate. Your gonna wish you hadn't. Problem is the Subutex or suboxone will cancel out the percocets. Or at least you'll barely feel the affects of the percocets. I was In a accident and had 16 surgeries. I was on every pain med out there. I take Subutex now daily ... also take roxy condone 30mg AFTER I TAKE THE SUBUTEX. REHASH: SUBUTEX 1ST THEN PAIN MEDS

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You must have had something else in your system because I am also on Subutex and take Percocet for pain and it never went into withdrawal

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TASHA: That is an incorrect statement. You MAY NOT go into Precips, IF you are taking a fairly low dose of both, and IF you only take the Percs AFTER taking the Subs, not the other way around. It is SCIENCE, these are FACTS. Stating that you will absolutely, in no way, go into Precips taking those two things together in any way, is just plain WRONG. You take a couple of Percs, and then do 16mgs, maybe 20mgs of Bupe? You WILL be in for something that you don't want. You are giving bad advice.

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Wrong. The bupenorphine in either has THE strongest affinity for all three receptors. The naloxone is to prevent mainlining mostly. Yes naloxone/narcan IS what they give OD patients to bring them back. Trust me. If you take subutex after ANY narcotic analgesic you WILL never do it again. I promise.

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GARY: It doesn't matter how many times you tell this to some people, they will INSIST that you can take full-agonist opioids, and then take Subutex and be perfectly fine. Already been there with these people, MANY times over. This woman on here, "Anna"? Wrote a whole PARAGRAPH of bad information, stating it as if it were the gospel. It's one thing to not know what you are putting into your OWN body, but to come on a forum like this and dispense just plain WRONG information to others when you don't have a clue is ridiculous.

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Exactly. Someone i know takes oxy then will take subutex right after. Or mix em together on occasion. No precipitated withdrawals. That's caused from naloxone which is in subxone not subutex. Don't post misguided or uninformed health information on the internet. You could kill somebody because your "opinion" is wrong.. not directed at anyone specific but damn know your s*** or keep it to yourself. Me and this person seem to be the only ones with true knowledge in the field.

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Subutex is buorenorphine which is a partial-agonist opioid. It is NOT an opioid blocker. You are the one giving false information. Opioid blockers are in suboxone which is buprenorphine and naloxone. Naloxone is a reversal/blocker at the mu opioid receptors. They actually give buprenorphine in the U.K. As an analgesic (thebaine) it works very well. Everyone is different and everyone's body is different. But to just flat out state that subutex is an opioid blocker is false information.

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I'm just curious how you got all your information. You claim to know everything about these drugs, are you a drug rep for suboxone? Are you a pharmacist, or pharmD? Or are you just commenting on things you've heard your buddy's say

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So if your on sebutex and you get prescribed pain meds like tylenol 4 Will you even feel the tylenol 4s or not

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The only way you go into withdrawal is if you take a Suboxone then take a pain pill. Subutex has no naloxone so you're good.

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You went through fioricet withdrawal? And it was ruff?....Damn how long were u on it?...Your talking about the pills with a slight barbituate in it and slight caffeine in it right? Usually comes in the pills with the imprint of the persons face/head with like a pounding headache look to it?...Wow....My x use to give those to me they never did a thing..Very weak..They dont make those ruff strong barbituates anymore that were screwing people up like tumanol and seconal....My brother in law who was a lot older then me told me about those things lol..He was an opiate addict at a time so he knew about drugs..He said the were pretty hardcore but they took them off the market years ago..Just like they took qualudes of the market years ago. In the 70's they were called the love drug...And they were prescribed but they became too popular for their own good and they pulled those off the market..They werent a barbituate but kinda in their own class..Only place they have them now is in south africa..Where back door chemists make queludes themselves lol.....Ohh but dont worry too much about the subutex ...Im on it....Too..Just dont ever ever mix it with methadone or u will have the worst withdrawal known..And naloxone in suboxone really has nothing to do with blocking lol..Its just a lil additive I believe recckitt benkster the pharm company added to regular buprenorphine which is subutex and has been patented in the 50's and used in the mid to late 80's I.M. As in the muscle by needle for opiate addicts because buprenorphine in itself is the real opioid/opiate blocker...Naloxone was added to the other companies as a cash cow full of lies..Lol..Buprenorphone/subutex itself is the blocker and will make u sick if u mess around the wrong way big time just like suboxone....And bupe aka subutex fills the 3 main mu opioid receptors and with about a few days or a week hit the "Ceiling effect" meaning any opiate u take will bounce off no matter how much...Including if u take 1 or 10 subutex u wont feel a thing..Might od or feel sick but thats it...Difference is suboxone is a garbage cash cow and u are not suppose to take naloxone every day it is like toxic on the body..First they found that it ****s the kidneys up..The suboxone from the naloxone..Now they say it ****s the liver up, and why do u think they take a woman off of suboxone and put her on regular buprenorphine aka subutex when prego or nursing.. Cuz its bad for the fetus, the baby...The naloxone in the suboxone...Cash cow doctor kick backs reckit benkster or whoever makes suboxone are in with the dea and feds lying and even giving them kick backs I think in some areas from what I have seen...Cuz most sub doctors do not want to write u subutex....Only suboxone...Lol..And ones excuse was cuz u can abuse subutex and it's diverted on the street...Lol..Yea and how many of us know *****s that abuse suboxone strips..For nothing..And sell them on the street....So...Uh yea there goes that theory suboxone makers...It depends on if the person is ready or not..They can abuse subutex or sell it; or suboxone...I myself have left over pills..Always and don't abuse it ...Heh..That is retarded....A waste...Heh....I'm just surprised u went though withdrawal from those weak things...

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JAMES: Hey there, how are you? I hope you are doing well. It does seem like 80% of the questions I answer on here are from people trying to figure out how to "get over" while taking an ORT, how long this drug remains in your system when they are taking a U/A, etc. And hey, I'm an addict, I get it. But it makes me shake my head thinking of all these people trying their damnedest to NOT be clean, while taking drugs INTENDED to help them get clean. I was always of the mind that if I still want to consistently use my drug of choice, I will just skip the ORTs. Why bother? I mean, you are just giving yourself a double habit anyway. No thanks. And these Subutex/Suboxone doctors? They can't just write unlimited amounts of prescriptions for these drugs. They have a certain number of patients they can treat with Bupe. So if someone isn't really serious about recovery, and yet they are taking a slot with a Bupe doctor that someone could have? Yeah, not cool IMO.

But still, MedsChat isn't a "recovery site", it's an informational site, so when someone asks a question that I can answer, I most likely will answer it and not offer any sort of judgement. I agree James, it seems a little counterproductive to me to even be on an ORT while still regularly using, but since I am also an addict, I will not judge. Hope things are going well with you, sir. Let me know if I can answer anything for you!

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JAMES: Thank you. I try to always be accurate, and if I DON'T know an answer, I will find it, or I will stay the hell OUT of it!! Sorry, but I have to call BS on someone saying they took a handful of Vicodins and then took Subs and hour later and was fine, unless it was like MAYBE 4 mgs. of Subs or less, or the Vicodin was expired and ineffective, or SOME variable in there. Nope, doesn't work that way. Like I said, I watched someone go through precips ALMOST 24 HOURS after taking opiates, and SIX DAYS after methadone. Anyway, what can you do? People can post ANYTHING on here. It doesn't necessarily have to be true.

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How do U Know They are not Talking about SUBUTEX!? and Not Suboxone? Because U can Take both pain meds and Subutex! MAYBE People are confusing these 2!

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I took Oxycodone after a surgery and Im on Subutex So I wonder why That dont happen to me...I see a lot of people saying this But Im living proof I didnt go into Precip withdrawl. But I thought I would, and I double and triple checked with the doctor before I took It.

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You are still not totally educated! The ingredient in subutex is only buprenorphine. Which is a pain med, however, it is only a partial, that is why, yes you can take other narcotics. Because buprenorphine alone is a partial one and won't get the full "euphoria". Which is good for pain patients, as they are not so focused on the "euphoric effects" it's just the relief from the pain. Suboxone is buprenorphine plus naloxone (or narcan, same thing) you will get withdrawals from the naloxone. More severe if it is inj. That is why they are now coming out with new drugs that contain naloxone for severe constipation. Because taking naloxone orally with help relieve constipation... Why. Because it puts a person in a low withdrawal. That is why they warn you about the other side effects. Also known as other withdrawal symptoms.

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I hope you found relief somewhere or somehow, if not I may now how you can find help

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I am so sorry to bother you , I was just reading some of the posts on here because I just had a c section 2 days ago and I've been off Subutex for 3 days. The nurses have decreased my pain management to 1 - 5mg percoset every 4 hours which isn't helping me at all! I would rather go back in my subutex because at least I'll feel somewhat normal. I was really wondering how soon after the last 5 mg percoset do I have to wait to take the subs? I couldn't stand to go into precipitated withdrawal in the condition I am in , but on such low doses of the percoset I don't want to have to wait in misery too long either. Thank you for your help.

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I find it very hard to believe a doctors put you on both of those ? What would be the reason for subutex ? I would think if they thought pain meds would help your situation they would just give you those.

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