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I go to the clinic and get methadone but missed a day, so i took a half a subutex. Within 15 min it sent me into immediate withdrawal. How long should i wait to take my methadone again? Is it going to send me into worse withdrawal?

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HELP: You should be fine with either one. The active ingredient, the thing treating your withdrawal symptoms, is buprenorphine. This is the same in either one. The Suboxone had naloxone in it, which is in there to keep people from IV'ing the buprenorphine. Since you are a pill addict and not an IV addict, you should be fine with either one. Most likely, any addiction specialist you go to will give you either Suboxone or Zubsolv, rather than Subutex. Good luck.

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I take bupe all the time and then do perks in the same day but i dont get sick or go into withdrawl. Am i an exception? I started methadone at the clinic today took ten mg. And did subutex last night but want to do more sub now cuz im only getting such a small dose of methadone....

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MATTHEW: No, you are not the exception. You just have it backwards... it's if you take the bupe too soon AFTER taking the full agonist opioids (percodan) that's the problem. So doing more bupe after doing the methadone could throw you into precipitated withdrawal. Be careful...it's the worst feeling EVER!

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wrong,, it will not put you in withdraw

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I have done it and nothing happened. also took percs and subutex at the same time and nothing happened

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JS: No, I'm NOT wrong. Not only have I been told this by my addiction specialist, my PCP, several medical journals AND my own research, I have also been through it MYSELF. SO....no, NOT wrong.

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I took methadone yesterday and subutex today, and I'm in withdrawal. What do I do? Take more subutex?

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JAYLEE: There really isn't anything that is going to help except time. I mean, there are things you can take to ease withdrawal, but you aren't going to stop the withdrawals until the Subs and the Methadone are out of your system. Are you going from Methadone to Suboxone? I mean, do you have more Subs?

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Subutex shouldn't have put you withdrawal because it ain't a block

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LAURACHELL: Yes, it is. You are wrong. There's not much more to say than that. Subutex (Buprenorphine HCL) is indeed a partial opioid antagonist, which means, in your simple terms, that is IS a "block". The drug ITSELF is the "block". The Naloxone (the thing that you are mistakenly thinking is doing the "blocking") is only in there to keep it from being used intravenously, and has low bioavailability when taken sublingually. So, in laymen's terms, you are wrong and are dispensing bad advice.

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Thank you!!! If you can't help another addict don't hurt one!!!

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JEN: This person is sitting here, point blank, telling us that he is in withdrawal, and the REASON he is in withdrawal is because he took Subutex too soon after Methadone. Point blank, straight up, took the Subs too soon. And then some "expert", who has NO CLUE as to what he/she is talking about, comes along with nothing but wrong information and tells him why he SHOULDN'T be in withdrawal. Don't you just love it?

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Kkh and texpert,

Wow you really have a huge passive aggressive attitude towards this VERWON Huh? In every reply you make reference to how wrong he is. People sometimes make mistakes no one is perfect.I know Iam not..... You can provide assistance to people WITHOUT BLASTING OTHER PEOPLE. It's just sad to read in one attack after another. Just being real

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I haven't had anything to say to Verwon in ages. And I have a problem with people who come on forums like this and dispense bad advice and misinformation. This isn't Youtube. This isn't some forum about meaningless kitten videos. This is about medication, and therefore has the potential to be about LIFE AND DEATH. So when someone has nothing but misinformation to dispense, over and over and over again, yes I take it very seriously. So sorry, but this isn't the place to be "making mistakes". If someone doesn't know 100%, for sure, no doubt, that their info is solid, they should stay off of here. These are serious issues. I really don't care what YOU think about it. Just being real.

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I took subutex after H and methadone. I was on 50mg for 5 days while taking H the whole time. Then the same day after my dose I took an 8mg subutex. I didn't feel euphoric but i damn sure didn't go into wds. I am also a 16yr vet so my tolerance is pretty high..i would just say from all this, mixing anything is a pretty risky business.

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MADGUNNER: So are you TRYING to go into Precipitated withdrawals? I mean, what are you trying to prove here? Because you are playing a very dangerous game. Go into Precips once, you will certainly never want to do it again. And sorry, but these are just facts. The Bupe throwing someone into WDs if they use it too soon after full-agonist opioids? That's what it is SUPPOSED to do. Now, maybe since your dosages of the methadone and the Bupe were fairly low, you were safe. Or maybe you are just lying. I don't know. But I DO KNOW that I just worked with someone who was on 75 mgs of methadone, hadn't used the methadone for DAYS; and had only used H the last few days. This person took 12 mgs of bupe days after the methadone and about 18 hours after the H, and went into HORRIBLE Precips. I mean, seeing the devil, screaming, crying, just a complete nightmare. So if you want to go THERE, keep messing with Bupe and opioids together. You will wish you hadn't.

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That is BULLS***. You're not going into withdrawal from the naloxone, its only a blocker, it doesn't cause wd! But if you're on methadone for an extended amount of ANY TIME, don't ever take suboxone or subutex!!!! The buprenorphine in it will immediately send you into withdrawal!!! I was on methadone for yrs, and I didn't have my dose for 3 days so I took a HALF a pill of 8mg subutex and within 3 mins I was in rapid, full, terrible withdrawal. Ended up going to the hospital where they actuality gave me a dose close to methadone that had little to no affect. I was vomiting, having such crazy withdrawals, I would've rather died! It went on severe for about 6-8 hrs that my body and mind finally gave out and I was able to fall asleep by the grace of God. Anyway, terrible experience that ill never forget and NEVER try again. So no, methadone has a half life and if you've been on it a while don't ever take subs unless its been i say about 4-6 days.... Gotta be feeling pretty bad before its safe...

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DONES101: I hear ya. Those precips are NASTY stuff. People mistakenly think that if it's just Subutex, without the Naloxone, then you can mix the two. Not so. It is the BUPE ITSELF that is the problem. The Naloxone is only in there to keep people from administering it intravenously, and is hardly even bioavailable if taken sublingually. Once you go through those precips, you will do ANYTHING to never have them again. I had no idea what real withdrawal even was! That methadone takes so long to get out of your system, the doctors don't even want to mess with you as far as Bupe unless you are down to 30 mgs or below, and have been off the methadone for at least 72 hours.

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You are totally wrong. Subutex works just like naloxone, well it displaces all the methadone in the mu receptors with bubenorphin which is a weaker opiate. So thats what causes withdrawals. I know from experience and research. OPEN A BOOK OR GOOGLE IT. YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING HERE.

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You can take methadone on top of subutex, just never take subs on methadone.

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