Rhodes/purdue Buprenorphine Hcl 8mg Rp B8 Vs Roxanne 54 411 (Page 37)

I have made the switch from the 8mg films to 8mg buprenorphine tablets only. With all the research I've done and experience I do my best to stay away from actavis mylan and nowadays sandoz. I noticed everyone has enjoyed the Roxanne now westward generics amongst hi-tech coming in second/mylan. I have no experience with mylan bup and don't want to take the risk even as mylan has always been a waste imo. I'm not a fan of allergan (actavis) taking over watson so depending on the drug dispenses I most stay away. There are as of now 7 manufacturers of generic buprenorphine hcl 8mg (generic subutex). They are in order of my preferred with not much experience except with brand name: *roxanne (now westward pharma)- 54 411 *hi tech- 8 ^(arrow) *mylan- M924 *teva (allergen/activas owned) crooked b 799 *actavis- moon 153 *sun pharma- 460 white round [And the brand new released generic made by Purdue and distributed by Rhodes Pharmaceuticals the new Rhodes generic] *RP b8- white round bevelled and pretending edges. I currently have had a smooth switch to the Roxanne/westward and declined mylan, actavis, teva, hi tech, sun pharma as most research and reviews conclude the Roxanne/westward generics the 54 411 seem to be best reviewed. I was unable to find the Purdue/Rhodes pharma newly released generic RB b8 imprinted generic. All I know is Rhodes and Purdue are professionals in the process of making quality meds and not just quality meds but pain relief medication, as they even were the company to CREATE oxycontin. I was able to come across one image of them on the web and they look very similar to the Roxanne 54 411s in size color and mostly shape except for the rhodes/Purdue ones protrude or kind of pop out on each side beyond the bevelled edges. They look really well made and on one side they have RP and otherside b 8 which the b and 8 are fairly far apart. I have been doing great from switching from brand films to the Roxanne westward 54 411s so far. I'm hoping to get some feedback by next month on these newly released rhodes/Purdue generic buprenorphine hcl 8mg. They are the newest and just released October 2017 and look very shinny and quality made. I'm hoping someone here who has tried both the Roxanne/westward and the new Purdue ones imprinted RP b 8 tablets. I am going to try and have my pharmacy special order the new Rhodes generics made by Purdue again imprinted RP b 8 white round shinny tablets fairly similar to the Roxanne but look better quality imo but do not have much experience with generic just brand and am very well versed on pharma companies and their medicine and their quality each one has. Has anyone tried these new rhodes/Purdue ones imprinted RP b 8? How would you compare them to the Roxanne 54 411 tablets... I hope for a response or it will be trail and error for me when ordering Rhodes next month if i stay on this route and will see how they compare to the Roxanne/westward but will not be til a month away. Please if you have any experience with these generics and especially the new rhodes/Purdue one let me know. Again I was able to locate only one image of them and they look great. They do not look small like hi tech more like a combined Roxanne and mylan with the shininess and how they pop out on each side..they look a little larger like the mylan and Roxanne not small like hi tech or teva or activas they are round tablet imprints RP b8 with b and 8 fairly far apart. Any feedback would be great and I would want to switch to rhodes/Purdue from roxanne (now westward being a factor) generics as they make quality are new just released and approved this year 2017 of October and no one how even mentioned them yet that I can find. With westward buying out Roxanne and them making changes a new generic made by Purdue may be just the one we have been waiting for and needing..again on the 54 411 ones now and looking for feedback on the new Purdue Rhodes ones and if the switch from Roxanne westward to rhodes/Purdue would be better maybe with better quality as they have always been a great and reputable company who makes outstanding drugs. Any feedback would be great.

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Re: Goozer (# 707)

Hikma did in fact change the pills after changing from West ward. They are close to what the used to be now and for a while they were garbage. I take the Rhodes now and I took the old Teva and brand name for years. Nothing being put out now is even close to the Teva or the name brand.

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Re: Bobby (# 721)

I see Purdue Pharma may go bankrupt hope that doesn't effect the Rhodes Pharma Buprenorphine RP B8 tablets. I take Hikma and they're my preference.

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Re: Davidjw1 (# 722)

Wow! I just goggled Purdue bankruptcy
and Purdue owns Rhodes. Who knows at this point! Everybody do your homework:(!.
Thanks David! OxyContin bs pain pills we all were on due to drs and operations! Then no more pain pills when u walk out of the hospital!

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Re: Vic (# 723)

I actually have spoken to Rhodes Pharma about this just today. I reached out and called their higher ups and they stated "as of now there are no changes in sight or happening". So business as usual for Rhodes for now at least. I straight up asked if Purdue's bankruptcy will effect any of their meds or service and was informed as of now no. The sacklers have so much money that Purdue gone is prolly nothing to them but they own hundreds of businesses.nhust cause Purdue is going I dont think all their business will. Sad to see em go though. It will make finding an actual og oc tablet near impossible to ever find and they may have been addicting but as anyone who has had em before it's a love hate relationship and will be sad to see him them go Purdue may be owned by rich crooks but they have always had a great business of quality products or not. So Rhodes fans no need to worry and also guys again lol..rhodes is identical to the old tevas and brand name subutex lol himkas are nowhere near close..just research your stuff

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Re: Bobby (# 721)

I know it lol that is what I been saying all this time lol. Roxanne was changed tone westward formulation then himka went and changed it again so the 54 411 tablets have had its formulations changed now at least..at least two times.

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Re: Goozer (# 1)

I just got the RP b8 kind and I was wondering if they were going to be as effective as the 54 411 kind. After I got done taking it, I have to admit, I was kinda thinking they wasn't as good as the 411s, But then a few mins later I started to feel it. Now I think I agree that they may be just a tad better than the 411s. Maybe I just needed to get my red bull in my system. :^) Redbull is like my morning and afternoon coffee. I have mixed feelings about the hi techs. I like them because they are small and dont like them because they are small at the same time. I like them because it is less of a pill to have to deal with, but it also makes it tough to break apart and make more doses out of. I NEVER take a whole one of any at one time. At the most, I take half and sometimes a 4th at a time. It is tough to break hitechs into more than a half equally though. So I get hitechs sometimes and 411s and now the rp b8s sometimes. What a life saver subutex is though. It is way cheaper than suboxone and imo more effective in controlling cravings.

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Re: Ricky (# 726)

Ya wonderful observations and feedback! The hi tech (akron) are one of the 8 total generic subutex made outside of brand name formerly known as Reckitt Benckiser now branded under the company who got approved to made the very first ever generic suboxone other than brand name which the suboxone tablets are no longer legal or obtainable in the US as when reckitt benckiser was the only company to have films or tablets including subutex HCL tablets. When the push was against Reckitt benckiser they wanted as much money as possible and did not want anyone to be able to manufacture their films and tablets they have made (reckitt and suboxone (buprenorphine have been around for decades and recently in the past few decades implicating their time their bup products where actually being noticed more and sales aky rocketing more but buprenorphine has been around for decades and is at least 50x stronger than morphine and just recently was able to get their product sales moving but only because of the opioid epidemic) and they didnt want anyone to have a generic so to give their company more time to hold the suboxone and tex patents they decided that making films and taking tablets nd discontinuing them the manufucater stated out the blue well the tablets of suboxone is dangerous (their own product) and claimed that the stop signs as I call em (8mg suboxone brand name tablets) they make were getting into too many children's tummys accidentally which I don't doubt but this was an excuse to give them more time to hold the patent as a result all us here in the US are unfortunately unable to get stop signs via rxed in the states..I do miss them..not the naloxone but the brand name te abs of suboxone were flam and helped me they the roughest times in my life.

Anyways point being they stopped distribution of the brand name suboxone hcl tablets awhile ago here in the states but they are approved and still rxed to many people who reside outside the US that need them but reckitt benckiser refused to let go of patent but knew they wud need to eventually and prior they made films stating they were safer and so they could make more money and announced the states will no longer be able to get rxed brand name tabs but certainly the films lol all pricey af but either way they stopped giving us stop signs just so they could hold onto the patent longer which they made happen but time has passed and there are now two generic forms of the suboxone films teva and sandoz and a crap ton of the generic tabs; amneal, sandoz, teva, Mylan, hi tech (hi tech generic sub tablets 8mg look very very identical to the old stop signs brand name. At this point prior to having to let go of their patent and teva and sandoz winning in court the ability to manufacture and distribut reckitt benckisers formulation of tablets and films (only teva and sandoz won the ability to make generic films in court so there are only 2 generics of filmed buprenorphine films of which are made by teva and sandoz). Right before or after reckitt sold off its buprenorphine division to indiviour while they went into making money off common household commodities such as mucinex which is made by the makers of suboxone formerly reckitt who still distributes household goods like OTC meds and cleaning products leaving their bup department to indivior which is now brand name subonxe and subutex. For either forms of bup if it is brand name buprenorphine it is now made by indiviour. What a mess of reckitt and I sure loved them stop signs and if I made such a product and it didnt do well for decades and then suddenly became a priority needed medication starting early 90s became hugely popular for getting people clean, hell I would not want to drop my latent of formula to anyone either if I waited for my product to actually get going in sales and market industry I would hold onto that patent as long as I could too but would never make my brand name tablets away from biggest country for them and remove the stop signs just to make more money. Perfect messy example of how s***ty our pharma industry is.

I think hi tech makes wonderful products including the 8mg subutex tiny pills. They are preferred by IV user for their size and lack of inactive ingredients but this is not how it should be used and your right they are near unbreakable for size dosing..at all. Hi tech 8mg hcl bup is made with intent of taking the whole tablet but this isn't the case for everyone and g.j now they take their meds. I personally prefer Rhodes as it is exactly the same as brand name subutex in every way just look up active and inactive ingredients and compare they are all the same as brand name subutex by reckitt and indiviour. Still have some og reckitt films and tabs. So again rhodes is a wonderful structured company who is reliable and makes wonderful products and prefer Rhodes generics for most medication I'm sure if they made a alpraz formula Rhodes would be my preferred as well they again just make quality products usual with more of the active ingredient than others sometimes even their own brand name meds are weaker than Rhodes generics so when people still compare the 54 411 which I also have and will take occasionally are no where as potent and quick acting as Rhodes. Rhodes is identical to brand name tex 8n everyway and 54 411s are so far from the brand formula nowadays even when Roxanne had and made their own formulation it still was like complete opposite formula as brand but was still a great generic and one of the first next to teva and at the time they were making generics identical in chemical make up( something they stopped doing it and havent done so in a long time) so teva and Roxanne 8mg hcl subutex generics are meant to be better than brand at the time and they were. Since roxanne has sold out to a company called westward pharma which still distributes 54 411 tablets and in their product Catalog but hella changed the Roxanne formulation to complete opposite then what Roxanne did. Which six because it isn't just the 54 4111l bup we lost..we lost any of the Roxanne medications to this westward buy out which suck because they have changed so many if not all generic medications made off Roxanne formulations which are long gone RIP roxanne u made outstanding generics and brand name meds. Then westward goes and sells off part of its bup department to himka who now makes their own formulation off the 54 411 which is absolutely horrid. Have all three Roxanne westwards and himkas and wow they certainly are all different Roxanne of course being the best then westward then himkas.

Himka did change the new westward formulation again so the 54 411 have at least 3 formulations made..at least one from rox knew from westw and one from himka. Both westward and himka still distributes their own 54 411 tablets making these 2 the only 54 411 around now and they are certainly nowhere near brand name and are at least 2x weaker than Rhodes which is completely identical to brand name subutex as Rhodes as a company just like Roxanne has always made quality meds and formulas so Rhodes is the same as the old tevas and same as brand name and may even possibly have more of the active ingredient of bup than brand name. Anyways very sad to see Roxanne gone as any med with an imprint starting with 54 (which there are a ton pain meds, anxiety meds, opioids and half opioid agonist muscle relaxers and honedtly to every type of med. All 54 imprinted meds are all now so different from their once made Roxanne formulations as westward has changed all these formulas. Makes me lil bummed. RHODES IS BRAND NAME PEOPLE LOL and I know everyone's body works and reacts to each thing differently but if you are saying you dont like the Rhodes you are also stating you dont like brand name subutex made by indiviour formerly reckitt benckiser and stating you dont like brand subutex inadvertantly as they are the same as Rhodes. So maybe peeps just dont like brand name as much as the westward and or himka 54 411 and maybe they work better for some but if you pick 54 411 over rhodes u are stating pretty much you dont like brand which to each their own but india made himkas which himkas changed westwards formula are made out of country unlike Rhodes (bdand) are not the best or most quality type of product..if anything quite the opposite of a rushed out the factory product with possibly not all effective as other in same lab. Westward are ok but himkas take em a step lower forsure and I have all these generics trust me and again to each their own what works for u works but no feedback opinions or statements you make in regards to Rhodes hcl bup imprinted rb b8 you are reflecting towards and stating towards brand name so jus keep that in mind Rhodes is great damn great and quality and I like hi tech just wud not pick em over brand name (rhodes, teva, indiviour) and in all honesty himkas are not the worst of all 8 generics but certainly close and at bottom of list and Rhodes at top and is brand ingredients and made. So just watch how u feedback if advocating for 54 411s and Rhodes and keep healthy God Bless u all love u fam!

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Re: Ricky (# 726)

Suboxone is certainly more effective for cravings as the naloxone (narcan) is made to rid of opioid cravings and addictive behavior and subutex is just suboxone w.o the naloxone and just straight hcl buprenorphine and rb b8 (rhodes) has all the same active and inactive ingredients as well brand name subutex making Rhodes and teva subutex generics both brand name generics. I have a post being reviewed for you to so keep any eye out. It's like asking the pharmacy to order you in the endo 602 imprinted tablets which has been a generic but also brand name oxycodone just like the 54 546 old Roxannes are and were brand name percocet, endocets, roxicet. All the same and just ordered a brand name generic as endo 602 imprinted tablets are exact same as brand name percocet just asked pharmacy to get those as those are preferred generic. It started to cost em more than they wanted so I paid the difference but endo roxi perc oxycodone all blithe same med and ingredients when comes to endo Roxanne and percocet brand name. Rhodes subutex is just like this to indiviour brand name subutex they are identical so imo and research the rb b8 are significantly better and more potent then 54 411. And with Purdue there may be an upcoming reason we may not have options to get them rb b8s and they will become vintage tablets just like the Roxanne meds are now. So stock up on rb b8 while u can as there may he a tiny risk of losing em in the future whereas himkas craps are not going anywhere but flooding the storea. Rhodes = brand name himka = out of country made generic. With that being known I'm sure u wud decide differently but what works for u works for u works which is most important. But yes Rhodes is better than the current 54 411s for sure this is a fact but it does still have people who prefer these and I will take a 54 411 on occasion for reasons but Rhodes is better than current 54 411 that's a fact just chemically and quality made is better and is fact but everyone body works different but yes Rhodes is better than current 54 411. Maybe not the vintage Roxanne 54 411s but certainly better than westward and himkas crap formulas with no good binders and extras not needed. Just as jail and how it is is the results of a society with issues examples such as the ones I've shared are perfect examples of how big pharma and generics are of how bad the industry is on pharmacies of the world and people..not the rich familys behind these meds but us all. God bless!

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Re: Ricky (# 726)

Got some Responses being reviewed for you now but yes rhodes generic is certainly better than any current 5 4 4 11 tablets that is a fact but that's not to say that everyone works differently with different generics everyone's body reacts differently. Rhodes is brand name it is best generic obtanable as of now that is not the cost of brand but still getting a branded generic making Rhodes brand name subutex if not better with more of active ingredient

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Re: Ricky (# 726)

Ricky for me at least imo Rhodes is at least..at the very least 2 times more potent and effective for myself and prolly most people as it is identical to brand name and Rhodes rb b8s are certainly better and more effective than 54 411s westwards or himkas for certain so in this case compare brand name subutex or the himka 54 411s? What would you get out of brand name or himka 54 411s? For me I would get brand name subutex if it came to brand or 54 411 himkas or westwards..that's just me and since Rhodes is identical to brand name subutex in active and inactive ingredients it's the same as brand name subutex by reckitt or indiviour. Rhodes is brand name really. It is the same exactly as the old teva subutex to and it's because at the time when they first started with generic subutex they tried to keep the formulation of reckitt benckisers (indiviour) so when they got the go ahead for generics the first 2 to 3 manufacturers with the patent made their generics the same as brand as possible. Rhodes is so effective that for a good 2/4ths of patients who take it from feedback and research and real results is that Rhodes is almost too potent with the active ingredient that people will take it thinking the rhodes 8mg tablets are strong as what generic they were taking prior and take their regular dose and it makes them super sleepy lol so lot of people will say it isn't a good generic or they prefer another they are just experiencing a much more potent dose of buprenorphine (subutex) 8mg hcl and prolly should and do end up halfing it or breaking into 4ths because a full 8mg of Rhodes will put u on your ass all sleepy which most confuse forbade s***ty side effect but no your have just taken more brand name buprenorphine than normally because they will get so sleepy but that's just strong bup and people who say these things clearly do not know that Rhodes is identical to brand name subutex.

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Rhodes is identical to brand name subutex..have some being reviewed for ya so keep eye out for em but Rhodes is so strong peeps get sleepy and think it's just a bad side effect but it's actually more of the active ingredient in it is all. But Rhodes and teva generics are brand since they are exact same so teva if even able to find and Rhodes are best generics and Rhodes is certainly more effective than the himka and or westward 54 411s for sure 2 times more potent at the very least. Most who switch to Rhodes bup end up having to divide their dosage and will take half and end up with extras left cuz they are not used to such potent subutex. If u ask anyone who has made the switch I will almost guarantee u that they take less of a dose daily than they did prior to switching to Rhodes generic version.

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Re: Ricky (# 726)

Heunricky have a lot of stuff being reviewed for u sk u can get some good info but short answer yes Rhodes is at least...at least two times more potent than all other generics except Teva generic as both are identical to brand name subutex. Many people end up with more at end of month and end up only needing half their normal dose of prior to getting the Rhodes generics

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Re: Goozer (# 727)

Anyone whose switched from any generic to Rhodes or to teva end up claiming that those generics have a bad side effect of making them to sleepy in reality they are just not used to such a higher quality made tablet that is way more potent than they anticipated and usually end up with extra at end of month as they realize they only need a half or even 2mg worth of the tablet cuz how potent and quality really can play such a large effect. It's not a side effect from the generic making them sleepy lol Its the fact that it is brand name really with possibly even more of the active ingredient than even brand name and they aren't used to such quality and higher active ingredient n potency they thing the sleepiness is a side effect..no they just took more than used to within a 8mg hcl bup tab and some realize that it's not a side effect but the potency of a quality made generic tablet that is very strong and others say woah no it side effects make me sleepy and they go back to old generics used to and not realize what actually was going on and that they never had an 8mg hcl bup tablet as strong as Rhodes does others realize others think it a bad generic cuz a sleepy side effect. If its notbteva rhodes or indiviour then it is not brand. And indiviour brand is unfortunately lost to us here at the states as brand tex is not allowed in US but indiviour still makes them all over world but wont distribute in US

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Yes they are awesome. Would you expect anything less from prude pharma? Nice read

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My apologies Purdue pharma.

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I have just taken my first dose of the new b p / b 8-they are definitely THE NEST ON THR MARKET!!! Yay finally

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Re: Nnndcnmmmmmn n (# 736)

They are pretty good. I didn't expect anything less from Purdue pharma.

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Re: Goozer (# 731)

Yea right... They are not identical to the brand name! What do you work for Rhodes or something? It's getting kind of wacky the amount of posts you have about how great they are. Now your making silly claims like they are the same as brand name. It's suspicious

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Re: Bobby (# 738)

Goozer started all this talk he’s awesome! You have to be careful what u say why?! U need to be smart to figure that out just in case you can go on this link and so can everyone else!! Do research on your own as we have as everything has changed! Everything is different now! Have your own pharmacy and what they have to offer and if you aren’t happy w what they got move on until u find one, like I did! The beginning of 2019 and even the even the end of 2018, there were warnings that everything will be different and it has! Read the full conversation! Good luck!

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Re: Bobby (# 738)

I don't believe goozer works for any pharma company!,..he has done nothing wrong but support all of us here on His thread!...seriously!.if it was not for him guiding us on medication, we all would have to be doing all the research on our own...he deffently is a very knowledgeable guy, thx goozer!????..I happen to think Rhodes are a very good, let me rephrase that..great generic compared to what we have to choose from. The 54-411, are the next best generic we have to choose from...its ok to state your own opinion, however if you don't like the Rhodes,..don't take them..I'm sure you have your own preferred generic,..so just take that one..and if you look up on btodrems you can find all the information you need that has to do with buprenorphine... goozer never said that Rhodes was EXACT, his wording were identical...to original brand name subutex.....not to mention this is His thread so he can say what he feels like, I for on have learned so much from him, and I'm thankful for his great knowledge and expertise!..

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