Oxycontin Op And Oc What's The Difference
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I've been taking the oxycontin oc for years now. I want to know what exactly is in the new oxycontin op? PLEASE HELP

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Re: Cruthis2 (# 15)

Amen my friend!! They don't give 2 f***s about what these new junks are doing to our bodies not to mention they work like s***, dont break all the way down and have doctor's convinced they're the absolute same and work identically! Smfh! All they care about is the money anyway so give us back wtf works for our pain!! We all don't abuse meds we're not all junked out on whatever opiate can find. The only ones suffering are the hard working, labor intense grunt workers for the man!!! If you want a job well done!? Get me my proper meds and it'll be done twice as good, as fast and absolutely more friendly! I'm not too friendly when I'm suffering from 4 knee surgeries. I have about 45% of my back that still functions and eventually I'll be in a damn wheel chair! But please, while I'm working my 80+hr week bridge foreman job, I need to be able to concentrate and do my job and fit and weld 100%. I can not do that if I'm dying there in pain! Please give us our meds that worked back, please!

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I live in Kentucky. When I fill my Oxycontin prescription they keep giving me OP, but I don't want them. Does anyone know if I can get the ones that say OC and if so, what pharmacy do I need to go to?

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I preferred the regular ones as opposed to the new ones, they're crap. Luckily I still have several of the old ones since I had my fusion. If the numbness ever goes away, which I imagine it will, I will probably have to start taking them again. But in the mean time I get to enjoy not being in as much pain. If anyone knows about numbness with back fusion let me know. {edited for privacy}

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I feel empathy for your problem. I took zohydro er for a year. But, it cost over $600 a month, and even with the $250 off coupon, I couldn't afford it. I am behind with all my bills. My credit is ruined. My doctor put me on the oxycontin when I told him I couldn't afford the zohydro anymore. I have been sick all month. I thought it was because of the medication difference, you know, going from a hydrocodone to an oxycodone. But, from all you have to say, it seems I have walked into a bad drug. And these cost $400.00 and have no coupon! WOW! I was better off before. He will make me wait before I change again. The insurance company will pay eventually, if I try all the other options. I have tried methadone. That was a disaster. That stuff was so strong. I fell and hurt myself pretty badly. This will be my third medication. I was on a percocete/tramodol compound, but it was dangerous to take with the antidepressant I take, and now I have a medium/strong palsy in my right hand/arm when resting it. Great, huh? I also take a strong medication for nerve damage. It makes my legs swell badly, but it's better than the alternative. It gets scary sometimes, tho., because my left leg is prone to swelling anyway, so it swells 3x to 4x it's normal size. Needless to say, I take aspirin and wrap it up. I wear a compression stocking on the left leg during the daytime if I am out of bed. I invested in a 4 inch foam mattress pad that I found in the Fingerhut catalog. (Not the memory foam. Regular foam.) I feel like I spend my life in bed, so I might as well make it comfortable. The good thing about the gabopenton is that it makes me drowsy. I sleep like a baby when I take it. If I have to drive during the day and someone rides my bumper, I roll the window down and hang my head out the window and play music really loud to stay alert. I hate that you are also having problems. It shouldn't be like this. I put in my years as a special education teacher and was looking forward to retirement. I waited for my severe children to graduate before I retired so I knew they would be well taken care of and would be in good post graduate work programs. Too bad I couldn't do the same for myself.

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We all feel your pain my friend!!

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I have endometriosis and fibrosis and extremely painful and long periods. I used to be able to get 10mg norco with no problem. Now...it was easier getting into law school. They make me feel like a drug addict. I have this problem long before it was an epidemic. It's just not right. They all just judge you. The pharmacist the doctor, all of them. When I run out and have to wait cause of a stupid pain contract it's the worse day of my life. It's so not fair. Even going to the ER violates the contract. So I just suffer. I suffer in pain because people are drug addicts and misusing the medicine. I have a well documented condition. They won't give me a hysterectomy because I'm too young and will want kids but I have never wanted kids!! It's literally against the law until I'm 35 in every single state. And get this. If you're married, your husband has to give consent, if you're single, your father has to! Umm women's rights movement!?!? My body my choice. So yeah I suffer and I hate the crack heads that put us in this position.

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It is the FDA that changed formulations for several pain drugs. It was due to deaths from overuse of the traditional drugs.

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Please tell me how to order. Hope this is the same Dr. Jonny who ships from Michigan.

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All I know is that my Dr. prescribes one 40mg. tablet every 12 hours and they only last for an average of 3-4 hours and I don't want to complain because I don't want to be accused of drug seeking behavior. I have been taking 30mg. for just about a yr. and was just increased to 40mg. last week after being left with no choice as my pain is getting worse. I have severe osteoporosis which I found out after falling on the ice and breaking my femur and part of my hip. I now have a metal rod down my leg to my knee with 2 screws. One in my hip and the other below by my knee. The fracture is healed but I'm told that my bones are like straws and I literally cannot walk or stand without pain meds but my tolerance is getting higher or my bones are getting worse. And,my dr. believes I shouldn't need a break through pill after only 4 hours but I do. How can I get my point across without her thinking I'm just looking for more drugs. I'm sorry, I didn't really reply to your question. I am just so happy to find this page where I can express my question............please forgive me for taking up your time.............I'm feeling desperate and don't know where to turn for good honest advise.

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No one, I have and infused neck its been infused twice,it was broken from the airbag when a drunk driver ran into me and its been 17 yrs and I've been on ms cotin for 15 of those years,and now as you are saying yes I still hurt with this new oxyicotin that Purdue it making and we have no choice but to take I feel Purdue really should stick with producing chickens and let their competor make meds that are going to help people that need the real oxyicotin so that we don't hurt as much but no one cares not even the doctors!

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I am also a hard science guy. Love Chemistry and Physics.

Wrong Chemical Name in use here, though they are related (but with different uses and different reactions in people).

As for the supposedly inactive ingredients (nothing really is) it contains :

Polyethylene Oxide - not Polyethylene Glycol. It has a higher molecular weight, is *not* the same and some people do react quite badly to it. It causes digestive issues in people (among other things).

It also contains BHT (butylated hydroxytolulene) which is indeed a banned substance in some nations & also a known allergen (and a dangerous one).

First off, the new formula seems to have between 1/4 and 2./3 of the pain relief in a lot of those on it. It also takes longer (easily an hour or more) to work. Those with digestive issues don't necessarily chew through the polymer in the same manner as they do a wax matrix.

Now...my wife has to take pain medication just to live. She was told this very directly after NOT being willing to take pain meds for 7 years of being TOLD she needed them, and slowing getting worse, and then slowing starving almost to death. I had to make an appointment at a pain clinic, and then physically carry her into the hospital in 1997 as she could no longer walk.

It is also very obvious she has a cytochrome P450 2D6 pathway problem. People are not all the same and this has been ignored a lot. About 90% of meds need to run through the same set of liver pathways to make an "active form" if they are to work.

- Cytochrome P450 enzyme CYP2D6 is used by about 25% of drugs.
- CYP3A4 metabolizes about half of all drugs on the market

CPY450 is the one that is used in pain meds

Most drugs do not work right in my wife. She gets really odd (at times dangerous) reactions. Many meds just do not work right in her. Her liver just does not work the right way, but if you read up on the CYP450 2D6 info it is clear that doctors are being i****s.

It is known that :

* in approximately 10% of Caucasians CYP2D6 allele is missing
* in 35% of Caucasians there is completely non-functional CYP2D6 allele

So 45% of white folk get ALMOST NO pain relief from ANY pain drug (most pain meds have a partial secondary pathway that gives weak relief).

* 7% metabiloize them so fast it is dangerous.
* 7-14% have a slow acting form of CYP2D6
* between 15% and 30% (depending on what you read) have a WILD variation, many of which do not work well

so that makes 75% to 81% of white people, who do not get the expected results from pain meds (in fact from 1/4 of all meds - and that is a core group).

My wife was told back at the very first pain clinic visit some very hard truths. They asked her her goals. She was only willing to take pain meds briefly and then do physical therapy and then off of them again as soon as possible. She was told it was a laudable goal but not going to happen. She was told very directly she needed to be realistic. That her case pain meds were like insulin to a diabetic. Her body does not work right. She needs pain management to live. She has been on everything else and barely tolerates the Oxy.

Since then she has been constantly abused by the medical and government organizations (thanks to the war on drugs and a lot of ignorance) and has been close to death a number of times.

Our issues with the new version of Oxyxontin is that my wife is allergic to most everything - since very early childhood. Finding ANYTHING she can take (or even eat) is hard. Very few medications are OK in her, and many give her dangerous reactions or just fail to work. Oxcycontin is the only thing she can tolerate for long term serious chronic pain, and only barely - UNTIL the formula changed here about 2 months ago.

She has already been on everything else.

The biggest issues is the BHT.

My wife is highly allergic to BHT (proven in many diagnostics when she was 4). She used to work in pharmacy and out of habit read the big insert as soon as the change occurred here in Australia. She has NEVER done well with polymers in her meds in the first place. Somehow after working doing chemos under the hood she now has a very real case of Multiple Chemical Sensitivity (complete with seizures) which was diagnosed by a mainstream diagnostician who was head of the department for 37 years, and a second time by another doc (we told the next guy nothing).

She now has many allergic symptoms from the BHT (headaches, insomnia, terrible G.I. cramps, and WORST she has constant throat constriction since the change over and all of this keeps getting worse). He hands and breath smell like solvent and plastic.

In two months of slowly swapping over to the new form of the med, she has gone from having constantly lowered her dose steadily and been ready for another drop ... all by reading EVERY study we can find (the docs are useless on new information, as they never read and only 2% to 5% of them are scientists) and so we have found other means of pain control (turmeric, DLPA, Mucuna, Brahmi, etc) because she hates the narcotics.

She has gone down in dose (all on her own) from 320mg of Oxy a day and STILL in a lot of pain - down to 120mg, and the other stuff WAS HELPING to reduce the pain in real ways and to treat her *problems* not just cover up the pain... and now she is just really sick. She is going down hill. She is in a lot more pain.

She is also allergic to every other medication choice. They tried all of them.

Note that since the change over in the US in 2010 to the new Oxy formula occurred - the H use, abuse, overdose and death rate in the USA has skyrocketed.

Interviews with recreational Oxycontin users and real Oxycontin addicts (there is a difference, as there is between a scotch or 2 a month and drinking until you die of it) have confirmed that MANY addicts; even *Functional* addicts (people who hold down jobs, always go to work, pay the bills, care for the kids) who were using Oxy - these people are now mostly on H instead (and dying).

All around this was a very stupid change. A lot of sick people now have no place to turn. No wonder there are so many bills to make assisted suicide legal.

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I was taking oxycodone HCL 5 mg, 8 per day to control serious chronic pain for over
11 yrs. this allowed me to function normally. 2 months ago I became strangely ill.
Never feeling good, headaches, stomach pain and rapid heart beat. My doctor
determined it was the caraco manufactured oxy and gave me a new script. This
time I was given sun manufacture oxy and I am feeling better, but still not normal.
I discovered previously I had been given Roxane manufacture. Would getting these
back make a difference? Are the 5 mg oxycodones also being screwed with.? I am
67 years old and have always taken my medication as directed. Why are people
in pain being punished like this. Those responsible need to understand the damage
To lives that is happening. I am tired of feeling sleepy and sick. What is happening?

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Wow! that explains a lot! I thought I got a bad batch of oxycontin, spoke to purdue and sent them two pills. Now I understand why I felt the difference. And all this time I thought that someone at the drug store was using a five finger discount!
Thanks for the info.

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i feel for people but then there is also the little pri&*cks messing with abusing its sad but let me tell you people who r legitimate i have a cure for you its works really good i take endo ER 60 mg in the am mid afetrnoon and at 9 pm and 4 30 mg oxycodones and man its better then the op cr*p and maybe just as good as the old oc remedy try it youll like it ,endo makes the best er 60 mg morphine and others it gives you the best of both worlds it works for me

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I just wanted to let you and everyone else who has posted on this that I feel for you. I was just on here to see if anyone else has had this problem with the OP's not working like the OC's used to. I am completely frustrated as well. I have had denervations where they burn the nerves off of my spine so I won't feel any pain and that didn't work the last time. They tell me that if I want to work I will be able to for about 5 more years and then once I am fused in all the places that need to be fused I won't have any motion in my neck any more and will be too dangerous to work where I work (a paper mill). I am so tired of getting treated like a terrible person, much less always getting treated like I am drug seeking by different doctors. I am also tired of the doctors acting like I am made of money and them making me try different procedures over and over again just because they think they have to feel good about themselves by trying anything even if it never worked before. I am left with living like a poor person because of me being in pain and this should not be like this. There are even laws to prevent this from happening to us but look how it keeps happening. I have been always honest with my doctors and it makes them treat me even worse. I hate this so much. I am sorry for venting, but it is lonely out here. I feel very alone. The changing of the OC's is like the icing on the cake. I rarely have increased my milligrams and have even went down at times. Ever since they changed to OC's I have had a severe itching problem. I know that I usually have itching but not like this. So, anyway, my doctor had me on 2 1/2 pages of medicines and I started to itch. I complained but my doctor could have cared less. I ultimately ended up in the emergency room with welts and hives. Months later after trying a local Dermatologist and him prescribing even more toxic medications I ended up at the University Hospital Dermatology Department. They finally listened and said it was probably the 5 or 6 medications I was taking that had severe allergic reactions of itching and hives. I was really mad. I am only taking the Oxycontin and Oxycodones now. Does anyone else feel the OP's also make them itch worse than OC's? Sorry it took so long to ask such a simple question.

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I have been taking this medication since 1997. It's now 2012. Drunk driver made it that I had parts of my spine removed, and the old medication worked. It actually helped me get through the day. Being a single dad taboot!! Since the change I've gone down hill, and quick!! Right away I felt the difference between the two meds. Starting detoxing without knowing why?? Till I found a stash of some old ones I kept for travel. Just incase bottle. I started taking them again, and instantly as soon as it was in my system, I felt good again. That was enough to make me believe that they are completely different. For sure.
I take them still. Not knowing what to try in its place??? If anyone knows of anything new or old that helps them pls feel free to drop a line. My email is xxxxx@xxx {edited for privacy} any help would be great. I go to a doc at the Toronto poly clinic for my meds.
I hate the looks or even explaining things to those ones I'm sure you know who they are. They try to make you feel like your a druggie or some low life. But they don't see the 12-18 needles to numb my body that I get beside my spinal cord. I too could babble on and on about this subject, and what I've been through. But I'll end it with. Any help or info would be great to know. Pls feel free to use my email. Thank-you. Good luck to all!!

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When I went to my PM doctor to complain about the new 80mg OPs I asked to be changed to 26.7mg of oxycodone liquid IR every four hours which is what we were using for ny breakthrough. The PM doctor said no that would be abuse. I don't get it. That would be the exact same amount of oxycodone. so why would that be abuse. Oxycodone is the only thing that works for the extreme peripheral neuropathy pain in my buttocks, legs and feet. I am a paraplegic, paralyzed from the breastline down five years ago. I was hit by a caddy going 55 mph as a pedestrian. It broke almost every bone in my body, crushed my neck, back and ribs and severed my spinal cord at T4. I've been taking Oxycontin 80s for 14 years and it was the only drug that worked to kill my sciatic and PN pain. It gave me my life back. I worked as a Biomedical Engineer for ten more years because of Oxycontin and never abused it. Now I can't even sit in my wheelchair without being in misery. When I became paralyzed I could feel nothing from the breastline down. Even the horrible sciatic disappeared but the PN remained and worsend to the point it feels like a propane torch is being moved over my buttocks, down the back of my legs then around my lower calves, ankles and over the top of my feet. It also feels as though it is being crushed and a 40 volt DC current is being applied to these places, all at once. I lay in bed sceaming and crying until I end up in the fetal position to spent to scream or even speak. My BP goes sky high and it's 911 to the ER. That has been my life in the nursing home since they changed to OP and my PM Dr. changed me to Opana 7.5mg twice per day and no breakthrough from Oxycontin 80mg twice per day and oxtcodone 20mg three times per day for breakthrough. Thee calls to my PM Dr. and he won't change it. The conversion factor for oxy to Opana is .5 to start and then it is supposed to be titrated 10mg twice per day every 3 or 4 days until your pain is stable. So my begining dosage should have been 40mg ER twice per day and 10mg IR 3 times per day, that is a more than 85% dosage reduction and he cancelled me as a patient yesterday because I called a second time to let him know about the trips to the ER and I can't tolerate the dosage reduction. The Dr. in the ER agreed that the dosage conversion was way to low and gave me IV dilaudid and a scrip. for 23 2mg dilaudid and told me to find a new PM Dr. because they can't do anything else for me through the ER. Those barely work. I have been a mess since the change. I am a paralyzed paraplegic stuck in a wheelchair (now stuck in bed) stuck in a nursing home that is doing nothing to help. This is so unfair. It is outrageous. I'm going to have to go to the ER again tonight as I have run out of the dilaudid and don't have an appointment with a new PM doctor until 5 more days.

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The pharmacist told me they brought them back for a month or two and then they got sued so they returned to the OP's.

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I went to pick up my monthly script for my oxy 60's. Well I got the OC's instead. So someone asked it they are still being made the answer is YES! I called to see if this was an OLD batch and they said no, it was called for a refill and they were sent the OC'S. So we are being played with. It's not fair!!!!! Oh well, just wanted people to know.

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When I could no longer find Oxycotin 40mg in generic form, I had my doctor prescribe Oxycontin 80mg for my pain.
I got no pain relief. The only change was unbearable constipation requiring lots of prune juice and Ducalax

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