New Subutex Laws (Page 12)

I went to see my doctor this week and he told me that the FDA and the DEA had passed a new law for prescribing Subutex. As of July 1st 2015 Subutex can only be given to pregnant woman or to someone with documentation saying they can't take Suboxone. If you don't have that you will be put on Suboxone.

REPLY

REPORT

BL: I hear ya. I was saying "active" ingredient as in the ingredient that matters to people in these two drugs. But yes, technically there is naloxone in one and not in the other. :) I just hate to see someone take the advice of some people on here (Mary) and end up in a world of hurt because someone thinks their own one-time personal experience is the only possibility. PEACE.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

MARY: And yes, you should calm down. Every single sentence you wrote to me is not only bad information, it ends with an exclaimation point, indicating YELLING!! What you experienced with the subutex after taking painkillers is NOT the norm. So I would hate to see someone take what you said as gospel, and end up in a bad rattle. Not sure why you are so angry AND resistant to learning. Shame.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

kkh , I agree with you about the wrong info. I think that Mary got the two drugs mixed up. But, I hope that noone believe what she wrote and tries it.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 1

BL: The thing is, it doesn't matter whether a person takes Subutex or Suboxone too soon after opioids. Either one will make you sick. I was always on Subutex (the one WITHOUT the Naloxone) since the Naloxone made me very ill. I took Subutex too soon after taking H, and went into the worst W/Ds I have EVER experienced. It was a horrible NIGHTMARE!! My spouse had to literally shove Trazodone down my throat until I finally passed out.

People think its the Naloxone that does it, but its actually the Buprenorphine itself. It's because of its affinity for binding on the opiate receptors. It knocks any and all other opiates off of there VERY abruptly. The reason Naloxone is even in Suboxone? To keep people from taking the Bupe intravenously! I was told (mistakenly) by a pharmacist that it was ok to take the Subs not long after taking the opiates....WRONG!!! Makes me wonder what that Mary person is taking when she says "pain killers", and whether they are even opioids. She never specified. She did, however, tell me she doesn't need any of the info that I'm giving out, even though my info is solid. Not sure what her problem is but she comes off as arrogant, ignorant and rude, so whatever. PEACE

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

MARY: And btw, "how I address things" is to be helpful to people. I have had people tell me on MANY of these threads that I helped them very much. You? You dispense bad advice. And sure, you've "already been told about" me. Right. So now you are delusional AND ignorant. You should be proud.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

what is a pk??? I am not use to this comp. language I guess.pam

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

PAM: In this forum, the abbreviation "PK" stands for Pain killer.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

CROATIAN CHAD: Let me know what's going on with you. Did you lower your dose of Subutex? PEACE

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

Listen, I'm don't get on here to fight, be stupid or give wrong info. What I talk about is only from my experience. Two people on here helped me when I first started my Sub's. When it come to pk's, I sapose the one thing I should have explained better because yes, there are people who may still abuse and take pk's at the same time. Not in my case so it was written. Anyway...BL and Cro head both helped me on this journey, if it weren't for them I probably would still be a user.... Yes, I took PK's and directly after I took my Sub's , there are no partisapated withdraws at all! Also, I took my Sub's then pk's...No withdraws...it doesn't work that way. YES, it the wrong thing to do and I did this at the beginning.. The serious part of doing this is you can over dose because the Sub's block the feel of the pk's so doing this is not smart! I'm not on here to write a book or give wrong advise but I'm also not on here to make it a game or a boxing match. I'm an adult and act as one. So, nothing I have said previously was wrong. This is MY experience, no one else's.
As far as other meds mixed with Sub's, I have no clue...I didn't take anything else but pk's! So my experience is limited.
Now, you can have cat fights all you want...this is not why I joined this group.
Peace

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

MARY: Taking opioids AFTER Subutex will not produce withdrawals. Taking OPIOIDS and then taking Subutex will produce withdrawals. Yes, it DOES work that way. Wait.....you wouldn't take the time to read my "book", and then you reply in kind? That's called hypocrisy. Whatever lady. I will continue to help people on here and you do whatever; I don't care either way.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

TO ANYONE QUESTIONING THIS: Please, do not take subutex/suboxone/zubsolv too soon after taking opiates/opioids. You will regret it. Let me be the one who went through the misery instead of you. If you want more information on this, you can look up "precipitated withdrawals". PEACE.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

Call your pharmacy, speak to a pharmacist... Ask about subutex...not suboxone...don't know anything about suboxone.. (subutex only) is what I take. Ask if you will go into withdrawals before or after. I know I'm nothing special, but it is what it is. Now...the only explanation to what you are saying, don't know for sure but as far as stronger opiates... maybe you will have withdraws because they're are stronger. I'm not saying anything false. But again...Make a call. Again, I'm speaking of subutex, not suboxone. WOW

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

MARY: And I am speaking about BOTH Subutex and Suboxone. I am speaking about the active ingredient in BOTH, which is Buprenorphine. In this situation, they are THE SAME. GEEZ lady, learn to read. I don't need to "speak with a pharmacist" since it is a know-nothing PHARMACIST who is the one who steered me wrong in the first place. But you would already know all this if you had bothered to read my "book", which you so arrogantly dismissed. I will not be replying to any more of your argumentative posts, because obviously your mind is made of CEMENT. I have the word of two different addiction specialists, many, MANY articles on the subject (I subscribe to several medical journals), my own research, my own experience and the experience of several others. But, AGAIN, I already told you all this. Not my fault if you don't want to learn anything. BYE>>>>>

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

MARY: AGAIN, everything we are talking about here, and EVERYTHING you just said, was already addressed in what I wrote earlier. It has to do with the binding affinity of antagonist opioids vs. agonist opioids, and what they do to the mu opioid receptors in the brain. These are scientific FACTS. Subutex OR Suboxone DOES NOT MATTER. Do you know about partial vs. full agonist opiates? Antagonist opioids? There is really nothing more to say about it. You keep saying "pks" rather than stating the specific medication you took. I have no idea why you did not experience precipitated withdrawals, (and trust me, you are GLAD you didn't) because you have not provided enough information. There are many, MANY factors that can be to blame. BUT, POINT BLANK, SCIENTIFIC FACT; taking a full agonist opioid and then taking an opioid antagonist like buprenorphine (which is the active ingredient in both Subutex and Suboxone) can and will throw you into precips. AS I SAID, there are many factors that could have kept you from experiencing this. Which is actually a GOOD thing. But if you are going to take a pharmacists word as gospel, then God help you anyway. (and by the way, 90% of people working in pharmacies are not "pharmacists") Don't believe me? I really don't care. I am here only to help, and to protect people from bad advice.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

Well I am pregnant n my doc want put me on subutec he wants me to stay on suboxone even though my obgyn has said he would prefer me on the subutec so just BC u r pregnant doesn't. Mean that u will b put on what u want to b put on

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

True I have a question, has anyone noticed Subutex makes you kind of moody, headache and still doesn't stop cravings well? I believe I'm switching to 10-20mg of methadone Monday. For my habit I feel I need the stronger just until I've done counseling and am stronger. Sub still has me craving, and pissy all day

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

MIMI: I don't know about that.... I would get a second opinion on that one. I don't think Naloxone is all that great for the baby. Seriously, talk to another doctor.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

You ever think its hard for some people to read...geeezzzz have a heart.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

CROATIANCHAD: I thought you said the Subutex had you nodding out and high? Hmmm.... maybe the methadone will be better for you. I know it works better for me. I switched from the max dose of Subutex to methadone tablets a couple years ago. I am VERY SLOWLY going down on my dose. Am currently on 85 mgs, planning on going down another 5 mgs in a couple weeks. If you DO go on the methadone, I would try to just do the minimum amount.

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

CHUCKO: Whom are you talking to? If it is to me, I have no problem with people's reading abilities. I DO have a problem with people saying the same thing to me OVER AND OVER as if it's ME with the reading comprehension problems. I DO have a heart, and I am only on here to help. Ask me anything you want, and I will put as simply and directly as possible. If it is someone else on here you are addressing, then nevermind! :)

REPLY

Was this helpful? 0

Hi all, I am on the subutex programme for a tram and codeine addiction that got way outta control. This is day 3 of the ...

16 REPLIES

Hey everyone after recently being released from prison, so many great things are happening in my life however my painful...

2 REPLIES

I can say from experience these new 153 are no good...I cant say it more clearly - They suck!! If you depend on relief f...

43 REPLIES

I am currently pregnant and on subutex and wondering if my child will be taken when I deliver? They are prescribed to me...

2 REPLIES

I need a new subutex doc. I have been on it for 2 years now, my is weaning me off because he only had room for pregnant ...

8 REPLIES

I have been abusing opiates for the last 5-6 years and I've tried a million times using suboxone to try and get off ...

13 REPLIES

My husband was on 32 mg of methadone and has waited 96 hours to start his Subutex. During these 96 hours he has taken a ...

5 REPLIES

I've been in two different suboxone clinics that I couldn't afford to keep going to because I had to pay to go t...

2 REPLIES

I was switched to a new film, has anyone seen this? Pale yellow/orange film with green BNP stamp on it? ## Omg these are...

6 REPLIES

Indiana just changed there laws and my doc says they are makeing them refer people like me to a clinc. I have took metha...

3 REPLIES