Methadone No No No!!!!!

Methadone is the worst drug and most wicked drug in this entire world. They give it to people like me with pill problems and then you can never get off the stuff. I made the worst mistake of my life going into a Methadone program. The people at these places pretend like they are there for you but they are not. They are there to keep you on this drug that rots away at your mind and body, and they do it well. They want your money. Do you know how cheap liquid methadone is? They milk off your addiction and act like they are doing something good for people like me. I HATE Methadone. I hate what it's doing to me and I HATE that I came in this place for a pill addiction four years ago, at 22, told I had one year and I would be weened off and here I am. I fight with these people all the time about this but they come up with a million excuses for why I should STILL be on this crap. It is going to kill me, just like the other pills, maybe just slower and more agonizing.

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METHADONE ALSO COMES IN A PILL FORM, AN ITS CHEAP

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You know that you were worse off before you got in there I am sure. And I don't know what state you are in but I am in Tennessee and you know as well as I do all you have to do is not pay your bill and they will detox you 5mg per day. So if you ask me it is your own fault that you are still there. If you truly in your heart don't want to be there, You would get out, You and I both know it. I am been in the methadone clinic for 9 months and I am a much happier person and way more energetic. I was a lot worse when I got there, than I am now. I feel human now and that was something that I haven't been able to say in years!!! I know every one is entitled to their own opinion, But I want you to think back to when you first started at the clinic, Did it help you? Think about what you were doing before then. Think about what kind of person you were becoming then ask you self are you a better person now? Be completely honest with yourself and I bet you are a better person. If you say no then I don't believe you. I know some where in side you, you know that it has made you a better person. I know for sure that it has helped me. I had gotten to the point that I was banging all the meds I could find and I had ugly track marks. #1 they are gone. I have been pregnant 9 times and only have one child. I am pregnant now and my doctor has told me that I have mis-carried so many times because I was doing so many pills, never the same amount, never the same kind from day to day. Which caused me to not be able no carry past 6 weeks. Now that I am getting help with my problem. Now that I am taking the same amount, same thing every day at the same time each day. It has made me be able to keep my baby. I am now 19 weeks pregnant I find out what my baby is next week. For that I owe my life to the methadone clinic. So just because every thing isn't going your way doesn't mean it is the worse pill in the world. You should think twice before you say that it is so horrible. Think about ALL the people it HAS helped. Including YOURSELF!!!!

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Your are so BLIND, YOUR NUTS! Guess who felt the exact same way as you do when I was nine months into the program. Anyone who knows anything about a methadone clinic knows they do it for the money. I was completely clean for two and a half years and sounded just like you. You know if your a paying patient they always find a way to suck you right back in. Its so funny because they try and drug test me at least twice a month. I've been takin benzo's, prescribed by a doc who knows that I am on Methadone, never told the methadone clinic that, but yet my swabs have been perfect for 3 years!! Bull s***! It's because I'm a paying patient never been late every Friday. Methadone clinics are like feeding bananas to monkeys. See how you feel after being stuck in there for three years. You have no idea what it's like to walk in my shoes, be where I am, be me, so don't pass a judgement on ME, because I think methadone clinics are just an excuse to substitute one habit for another. You sat there and said yourself they'll drop you five mills if you dont have the money. Thats not the way it is down here, it's twenty per day, if you don't pay. So hows that feel, huh? After ten years in there maybe you could be a counselor or something cause you sound just like mine! Wake up!

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I have been on methadone for like 5 months i stopped going friday b/c the money got tight i was spending to much money on gas and going over there, i was on 20mg and i quit oh well its been almost 48hrs nothing i dunno, i missed one time and thought i was gonna die for 1 day its all in your head i believe. at the place i go to they dont have no charging system or whatever if you dont pay you dont get anything there is no charging lol, 11.00 for liquid 10.00 for gas is like 20.00 a day x(times) 30 is $600.00 a month, im glad im not being a slave to the drug anymore methadone is more addicting then methemphetamine.

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Hi Bekki..Thanks for your post..It isd people like you and me who have to let people know that methadone isn't the domon drug from Hell that people say it is. Your story is just like mine, except for the baby. Congratulations BTW..I have many firends who have had healthy babies because of methadone...We need to remain vocal to the good that methadone has done for countless addicts around the world. Please keep posting and let us know when you have your baby!!!!
Pat

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Tammy, instead of spreading this stupid crap about methadone, please show us the articles that you have that prove methadone is harmful. You won't be able to provide anything because methadone is one of the safest opiates there is..If your clinic is as bad as you say it is then why don't you leave?? If they are lying to you the way you claim they are, call the health department..Your post reeks of 12 step BS.. Clinics have laws they must follow, and if they did what you claim they would have been shut down long ago,. I see you writing on how methadone and clinics are evil, yet here you are still on it..Then you say that your drug tests are false because you pay cash. You seriously think the State or the Government would allow that to happen? Get a grip girl. Clinics don't operate the way you say they do...I think you are also very stupid if you are taking benzos W/O telling the clinic, people die taking the 2 drugs together, the clinic doctor needs to know you are on benzos because he/she needs to ajust your dosage, That in itself proves you aren't telling the whole story because clinics certainly don't want their patients to die. Your story is so full of holes that if it wasn't so sad I would think it is funny, BTW, what kind of pills were you addicted to B4 you got on methadone? It is very hard to get into a clinic W/O medical documentation. 2 failed attempts at rehab, doctors recordsm etc, You aren't allowed to walk into a clinic and just get dosed, you need to go through a process..If you want to demonize a drug that has saved many lives, at least tell a more convincing story.....Again, show us those articles on how methadone rots our bodies...ROFLMAO
Pat

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446..48 hours is nothing, you haven't even starting withdrawls yet. There are a few things I don't understand about your post. If you have been on the clinic for 5 months then why are you having to go everyday? U should have at least a few take home bottles by now unless your UA's are coming back positive for other drugs, BTW, methamphetimiine is not physicaly addicting so why are you comparing the 2 medications? It has now been a week W/O your dose, how are you feeling today?? I hope you are ok, but I don't think you are, whatever you do, please try to find another clinic, or better yet you are on such a low dose you may decide suboxone is a better choice for you..BTW, being on methadone isn't being a slave, however abusing whatever opiate you were using is Hell....Think about it

Pat

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Tammy, sound to me like you are the one who is passing judgment. Your remark about the $20.00 a day makes no sense, and again I will say, why are you still at your clinic?? I have been at my clinic since Jan 2001, and I have heard a lot of stories and seen a lot of things, but your post is just BS through and through...You need to STFU and go tell it to the 12 steppers who brainwashed you...NA is what will kill you..Remember I said that, then look around and see how many opiate addicts land up either using again or blowing their brains out because of NA...

Pat

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The best addiction treatment that is now available is Suboxone, which contains the active ingredient Buprenorphine.

Using it as a treatment has enabled many people to become completely free of their drug dependence, compared to Methadone, which causes many people to require a maintenance dosage for life.

You can read more on this medication here:

https:/­/­rxchat.com/­wiki/­Suboxone/­

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These people harassing you are trolls: methadone doctors pretending to be patients and defending their evil cash cow !!
I thought what you said was 100% accurate.

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f**k all this s**t!! hey people, methadone has changed my life and my outlook on everything i do and see i f**king soo applaud it!!! im living life too the fullest. at least i have a piece of mind even if its trade one thing for another i will take this and know it saved my life. melynda phoenix, arizona

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I was on the methadone clinic for 18 yrs here in fort lauderdale and while i will say that it saved my life, until they upped the price then the money ran out. Then i had to detox. i had clean urines for 18yrs except for the methadone and so i got to bring home 30 worth of disks and did it the right away everyday.Then i started to detox my self and got down to 10mg when i couldn't go anymore b/c of finances. i was never so sick in my life. after not sleeping for 10 straight days, with my sister here for 10 days from chicago to help me get in the tub to soak my achey bones and to cook for me to make sure i ate something, i think i would have died. i can't believe that the detox was so horrible that the minute my sister went back up north i got on oxys which i only knew one person that took b/c he needed them and there i was again. while for 18 yrs it saved my life it was taking a toll on my body for sure. i'm 57 and feel 80. right now i'm on subutext, after being off the streets for all of those yrs i had no idea what i was getting myslef into with the oxys. now after getting the subutext i find that is very addictive. so now i have to get off of these which i've just been on for 3 days today. OMG, if it's not one thing when you're a true addict,like i am then it's another. and i rememeber saying when i was on the methadone i'll never go back to the street drugs again. well, never say never. i'm depressed, broke etc and so disapointed in myself. all i'm saying is please don't stay on the methadone as long as i did. i should have used it and then when feeling better got into NA. anyway, good luck to anyone who is using methaodne. i still have mixed feelings about it. as long as you can afford it, it's great but when the money runs out, be prepared. none of the misery i went through was mental. KEEP LOOKING UP EVERYONE^ Gracie

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buddy you are outta your mind, its used by the clinic's to give you your high legally cha ching, i had to check myself in a suboxone treatement program. I did a one month program with it and i have been clean ever since i think its been like over a month i feel good no withdrawls. methadone is addicting go on YOUTUBE for example and type in methadone clinics or MMT maintenance. It shows how ppl act about it and what it really is. I went there b/c i couldn't get any meth ice wanted to get high well did i know i got addicted to methadone on 21 mg's. Got done to 1mg It's not in your head you can't quit it cold turkey i have tried I'm not the type of person to dwell on something it sticks with you bad you gotta have it, I would be working on something next thing i know i can't get anything right or im messing up, then im in pain im like whats going on Oh i went off methadone at 1 mg on the 3rd day and im hurting as I was when i was on 21 mg when i missed the clinic weekend when i first started. I don't care if you are on 1mg of methadone or 21 mg's of methadone your ADDICTED. It's like what my suboxone doctor said is why there are so many MMT centers is because methadone is so cheap its profitable a lot of drugs and medicines are but they make money like a fast food restauarant costs so much to get it they sale it to you ON SUPERVISION AND URINE DRUG TESTS? At my old clinic they would get busy they'd hand me the cup and tell me to put the specimen in the slide thru window when i was done, I wonder if i could of done the switcharoo lets see yeah if i wanted. If your going for a new job are they ppl gonna be this leniate with a drug test? I thank not methadone is a joke and a highley addictive drug like heroin,crack,coke,ice opiates. Methadone is just a legal substitute.

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Gracie..I am sorry that you had to get off of methadone because of your money situation, didn't you even try to get on Medicade? Also there are new laws being drawn as I am writing this to where a clinic cant taper you like they did b/4.. People are starting to sue clinics because people who are older and have medical problems can die from methadone WD's and one day a clinic is going to be shut down because of this. Why didn't you do anything to help yourself? Seems to me you were doing great for 18 years and then they just cut you off after all of that time?? I would call a lawyer NOW..Plus you must be one of those miracles if you slept and got better after 12 days..Bottom line, unless you have an MD after your name, don't give any advice to people except to call their doctors..You can't give out medical advice, and it also seems funny to me that after 18 years of being successful on MMT you decide NA is the way to go. Something seems wrong with your post..People don't just embrace NA's cult after doing so well for so many years..There are other topics here for the 12 steps, this isn't one of them. NA almost killed me with their words

Pat

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Sarah..Please prove your post because if it is a lie, they call that slander..You must be an NA cult member or you wouldnt be talking this crap..I think you are a clean and sober NA cult member who has been told what to write. You probably dont even know what methadone is

Pat

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Hey Pat, thanks for responding to my post.you misunderstood a few of the things i said. i went 10 days with out sleep and had nothing to help me through the worst W/D you can imagine but after taking it for 18 yrs, I knew it wasn't going to be easy. I never went to NA but said that I got on Oxycotin the day after my sister left to go back up north. i just couldn't take being sick any longer. and then after 18 yrs on the methadone and not even taking a valium or anything else, there i was on friggen oxys. what a night mare but i wasn't sick anymore and could go to work again. i had a weeks vacation and then called in sick for the second week. i take care of a 92 yr old lady in her condo and she is something else! very spunky and couldn't believe the change in me when i came back after getting off the methadone. anyway, i'm on subutext now and have 2 or 3 pills left and then that's it! i am done and want to move on with my life. i have mixed feelings about the clinic. mostly good ones b/c after being on the streets and doing heroin for 30 yrs off and on, mostly on and having to have a finger and 1/2 of my thumb amputated b/c i shot up in my hand and got a blood clot, the hospital sent me right to the clinic where i stayed for the 18 best yrs of my life. it was just when i had to get off b/c of money and the terrible detox is the only bad thing i have to say about it. it did save my life and if i' had the money, would still be on it. it did do some damage to my body but i think anything you do for that long is going to have some effect. anyway, i'm feeling better everyday and while i just found out that the subutext is addicting, i'm going to start weaning myself off of it. got it from a friend that goes to one of these crazy pain clinics that we have on every corner! i refused to go to one of them and give them my money. i just want my life back and to be clean and happy. i worked at my church for 8 yrs and i believe that also saved my life. NA and AA never worked for me but having the Lord in my life and the methadone did. what works for one, may not work for another. anyway, LIKE I ALWAYS SAY KEEP LOOKING UP^ Gracie

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Beki, I read your post about remembering what it was like b4 getting on the methadone and it no doubt saved my life and made me a normal person or as normal as i could be!. the things i was doing to get heroin i am not proud of . i think another thing that helped me was wanting to get those take homes and after a year of clean urines was able to take a months worth home for the 18yrs i was on it. when i had to come in to get it each mo. they would do the urine test and that helped to keep me off of anything. i also think having to be accountable to something and have clean urines so i didn't have to go to that place everyday and run into old friends etc helped a lot. bottom line. the detox sucked big time but in the long run i had the best 18 yrs of my life. was here and able to take care of my mom while she was sick and died and also for just having the 18 yrs with her and holding down a job at my church and as a normal person and not running the streets, stealing etc Methadone saved my life. i remember saying while i was on the clinici'll never go back to street drugs but after 10 days of the worst days of my life durning the detox then turning to oxycotin b/c i didn't want to be sick anymore, which while i was on the clinic never even knew anyone on it or knew anything about oxycotin..feeling like i was going to die from the w/d, i found someone and now am trying to make it back to sanity! anyway, any time i think the clinic was bad for me b/c of the W/D, I'll remember where I was b4 it and know it saved my life. KEEP LOOKING UP^

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Hi Gracie..I still think what the clinic did to you is criminal, but I wish you great luck with being clean off of all drugs. I agree don't give a dime to those pain clinics, they are rip off clinics who have doctors who can't do anything else because they have bad reputations. Of course I am sure there are a lot of good ones, but the charges Heck, they cost more than methadone clinics.. If you only have a few suboxone left and when you are finished and feel sick, please seek medical help, because the worst thing you can do is get on oxys again... Just take it slow and if you do it right (slow) there is no reason you can't be successful. And I agree whatever works for people is fine by me.. BTW, I am 55, so I know how hard it is when we get older. We have a lot more experience than a lot of other people here, and that helps us help others..If you ever feel like using, here is a website with people trying to be clean just like you. There are many addicts going through the same thing you are..I wish I could help you more, but I can't help you with your taper because I don't know what you are going through, but hopefully there are others that can... Good luck friend!!!! Happy Holidays to you

Pat

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Greetings Pat, what a nice surprise getting your post. Yes, I think I've finally found a good website with good people that I can relate too on here. Knowing your age helped too as yes, we've been around a bit longer then a lot of these guys.. I was so stupid getting on the subtutext not really knowing what I was getting myself into. I have 15 pills left and feel fairly good when I take one but not high or anything, just normal and not sick! Which is huge since I have to go to work everyday!. But then to find out that they are also addictive! Geez, does it ever end! I suppose the subutext is better then the oxys. I should say FOR SURE IS BETTER THEN THE OXYS! But you are right that I need to taper off of them and will start doing so right away. Thanks for your support as it means the world to me. I'm telling you, some times, most of the time.,you feel so alone when you are doing the drugs. Like T?G, i had plenty of invites but just wanted to stay home alone in bed and eat cerele. When my sis gets here from Cal Jan 18th and finds out that I went through $10,000 in 7 mo I'll never hear the end of it. She is not an addict and does not understand at all! She's really the one that told me that I needed to get off the methadone b/c I couldn't afford it any longer but I shouldn't have listenend to her and gone with my gut feeling that I wasn't ready. The clinic may have worked with me since I'd been on it so long there. but I didn't even try. Just did it on my own. So honestly, it was my own fault for the W/D i went through. MY sis wouldn't let me get anything from the dr for sleep etc. she is just a control freak and thinks she knows the best for me and for everyone! I know she loves me but I have to toughen up when it comes to her and not let her control me when she gets here or I'll be back depressed and God only knows what will happen. No, I just realized what I wrote when I said that! I am going to be strong and stay off of everything as soon as I get off the subutext and get back into my church where I have a foundation and friends! Ok kiddo, gotta get to bed. Again, thank you for your sweet post. You hang in there too. Did I read that it was you having a baby or someone else. I'm still new to this and can't remember everything I read from one person to another! But now I know you for sure and i am glad! God Bless you and KEEP LOOKING UP^ GRACIE

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Hi Gracie..Please be careful with the suboxone, I tried it before I got on methadone because it just came out for trials in 2000 and it was free. I had to get off because I got very ill on it. I had the same side affects some people get on methadone only 10 times worse, so I walked away at 32mg of the suboxone, and I kicked real bad, but you should be fine the way you are doing it. Just please, if you run out and want to get more oxys, please go back to the clinic get on a 180 day taper. I would much rather see you do that than take oxys.. The clinic will work with you.. Me a baby..Thanks for making me laugh, I was sad today. but just thinking about me having a baby makes me laugh.. Never had kids because we didn't want them, then I found out I couldnt have carried a child to term.. We spent a lot of money on birth control and my poor hubby had a vascetemy.. Yea you and I have been around the block a few times. My sister and I don't even speak because she says I am a loser because I am on methadone...I havent spoken to her in 14 years...She would rather see me dead of an OD rather on methadone..Don't let that come between you and your sis. Just tell her you are an adult and if she doesn't agree with the life you have it is her loss, not yours..Family is important, but when she called me awful names that was the end. My life is more important.....Let me know how you are, ok??

Pat

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Yeah, anyone who says it is a bad drug is a f****n moron.

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Yeah it helps some people and hurts some but it's not a bad drug

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No worry, methadone is not so bad. Benzodiazepines are the worst pills ever, no have worst thing as them, I would rather come off 5 times off 100ml of methadone than from 10mg of 30mg of benzo. I've been in coma by trying get off them. Methadone, if u taper, is very very possible. I've been on 130ml and in 3 months im down to 80ml with not even a headache. If u taper right then it is no problem. I was able to work 12 hour shifts with cold turkey. It depends how strong of a will you've got. In jail also on 100ml, was not given any for 4 weeks. I could already go another 3 and be off, but cos there's nothing to do there n was still craving I decided to take the easy way. Set your mindset that it's the end or something, if you want to really do it right. 1 year and you're clean, depending on how many ml u r on. If 50, like I said, I did cold turkey from 45ml and 12 hour shifts. You said that ur young in your twenties. That is a good time as ur health is very good. I mean I'm nearly 40, n I started using when I was 14, so I've been through so much pain omg. So someone can't stop smoking, im like whaat? Kiddin themselves - last 3 cigs, next monday - no, no, that's an excuse. If u do it, do it right now n here. My advice to everyone, never ever try poison, specially benzos. And remember, everything is possible, absolutely. Get to rehab, find your way, and do it slowly n u will be surprised how turned up in your head you've been. Everything is in our head. About 70% fear and anxiety. You'll be fine buddy, trust me.

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See that’s why else when I had to quit pain pills I slowly reduced my intake for a month, then I quit and I was done in a week. I started feeling significantly better after the fourth day but after a week I was totally fine.

When I had to quit taking pain pills 10 years before that I mistakenly thought that Suboxone with me and I never had withdrawals, so I switched that and I slowly weaned down over six months like my doctor had told me to, when I went off at the withdrawls lasted for weeks. Weeks. It took like a month to feel normal again. That’s why I didn’t use it again, it’s not worth it, it’s only good if you’re having cravings and you need to get rid of the cravings or if you need to wait and have withdrawals at a different time. Like if you have a job you can’t take time off now for example, just know you are extending your withdrawals by about four times as long as they need to be by doing it this way.

But if you plan to stay on it forever I’m sure it’s great you get your fix covered by insurance. I understand why people would love that.

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I’m sure methadone is great while you are taking it, yes most people are pretty happy with a steady flow of opiates in their body.

The post that you are replying to originally is talking about coming off of the medication. I mean if your goal was to switch one addiction for a safer one that you just use forever then yes you are fine and you don’t have to worry about it.

Also it’s probably easier to come off these meds than it is to come off intravenous heroin use, but the original post is talking about switching it for pain pills. Don’t do that it’s a terrible idea you are going to extend your withdrawals by weeks.

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They are telling the truth, it’s a lot harder to get off stuff like Methadone and Suboxone than it is to get off pain pills that you have just been taking for pain. If you are IV'ing heroin, it’s probably a really good idea to trade that for a Methadone or Suboxone habit.

If you have just been taking pain medication for a medical problem and you want to be done with it, changing to Methadone or Suboxone is the worst thing you could do for yourself. If you quit pain pills after taking them for years and years, the withdrawals go away after about a week. The third night is the worst so as long as you have something for sleep and anxiety and diarrhea, just do it.

This is not the same advice for someone who has a heroin addiction who has cravings, for you substituting with a new addiction that is safer is harm reduction and that is a smart thing to do. People who are looking to get off meds don’t need harm reduction they need to know that the withdrawals are going to take a month if they switch to Suboxone or Methadone where is if they just get off the pills they’ll be done in a week.

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People like this are the reason methadone is still as stigmatized as it is. The truth is methadone saves people's lives for real real. I came into the clinic while I was homeless. Now I am healthier and happier with a girlfriend and an apartment and best of all my parents and sibling and I are closer than we've ever been now that I'm off of heroin. We all have to make a choice, choose life.

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Re: melynda (# 11)

I totally agree with you . I've been on methadone for over 10 years now . It saved my life . I know exactly what you mean about "piece of mind" .

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Methadone Hydrochloride, invented by the Nazis near the end of WW2 is the BEST EVER drug on this Earth! I have had this from my Swedish Pain Klinik and now UK for 37yrs. 230mg Physeptone (Methadone + Chloroform), 21 times stronger than Morphine and 2 times stronger than Methadone Hydrochloride. I had to take a suitcase of Martinedale bottles after the chemists were stopped from making it up from powder form and concentrating it. So 185mg/day and 100micg Fentanyl works perfectly. It's the only powerful pain killer that releases the entire does after 47 mins in my case. That means 185mg constantly killing pain non stop for at least 36hrs. No miosis after constant use, no euphoria after initial dose titration of 3 days, and no one can tell you are on it especially at work (Art Direktör), as no need to carry tablets or other forms of oral administration. Very few side effects. High dose could give gallvägsdyskinesi, gallstones? The only authoritive effects, to put doses down to drug addicts (illegal), is the Widmark paper on abnormal ECG heart fluctuations. This is controversial, in combination with other meds it could be any of the others. It's just an excuse to not give maintenance doses to drug addicts. Sweden has the only functioning Methadone program in the world. Life time high dose. Only the patient decides whether to stop, unless a positive test is left after the first 5 yrs of strict control. Methadone has the highest biological analgesic qualities than any other powerful medicine. 80%. Of course due to individual constitutions of the diverse users this analgesic quality has to be spread, 40-100%. No other pain killer can match this. Under the same reasoning the half life is put, after research, to 15-57 hours. 50% goes out in the urine of the rest and for lack of the English word the N-denetylerade pyrrolidinmetabolen (other deletion of the Methadone), 10-45 % is through faeces, feces.. How you can say this is the worst drug in the world ask someone due lie you down and smash your spine with a sledgehammer. Then post a reasonable message as to why it is the worst. Used correctly it is without doubt the greatest drug ever invented.

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Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. They play games with you. They don't understand that you work. Also they expect you to walk in and put you on hold and make you wait there for a half hour to see the so-called supervisor. They are all rude at every Clinic, they don't care if you have a job or not. If you tell them that you're working, show them the pay stubs and you can't miss one day a week for a so-called group, they write you up, then you end up getting disciplinary detox and usage of, and then they tell you to come back in 90 days. Has to be some sort of type of guideline that every Clinic should follow, it's crazy. They all privatize and do what they want with you and it can make you addicted to more things than you were before you got there. Methadone is the government to have a piece in every drug out there in the market from their so-called medical marijuana. They're just breeding addicts. I was never on any medication, got to the clinic and they got me on eight different medications, from benzos for anxiety to sleeping pills. I never took any pills and now they give you a screaming methadone habit it and give you a benzo habit and then they tell you good luck come back in 90 days. Because of missing groups, you end up becoming a pill addict overnight and missing or losing your job.

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