Doctors Who Prescribe Methadone (Page 2) (Top voted first)
UpdatedI am addicted to strong pain meds and I am tired of having to come off of them, the withdrawal is awful. I went to a urgent care doc and was prescribed suboxone. I take anxiety meds too but he wants me to stop. I really need the anxiety meds but he wants me off them. How do I get him to change it from suboxone to methadone so I can take my anxiety meds?
@ Lynn, I know your post is over a year old so I'm not going to go into much detail. I just wanted to see if you were able to get what you were looking for. What stood out for me was that you say you were "addicted to strong pain meds and tired of having to come of of them the withdrawal is awful I went to a urgent care doc and was prescribed simboxon".
Are you being prescribed pain meds on a regular basis from a Dr. for pain? Or getting them to get 'high' as I see many people on these forums doing. If you are getting them from a physician are you taking more than prescribed, hence running out too quickly. I KNOW what it's like to run out of pain meds because my Dr. was reluctant to increase my dosages, even though my tolerance is VERY high. I would run out before my next visit with him and I would get so sick I just wanted to die. This happened many times. I presented at my Dr's. office a couple of times in full withdrawal from Oxycodone and Methadone, driven by my boyfriend because I was too sick to drive myself. Of course he'd be disappointed in me, I was sick of it myself. I have an extremely complicated situation with so many issues involving extreme pain I've stopped counting. I tried to tell him of my tolerance, and he knows this but he said I MUST find a pain specialist expert licensed to treat chronic pain. He was going to begin to start weaning me off Oxy as I dealt with each medical problem causing pain. He said the state of Virginia was clamping down on docs prescribing ANYTHING, as in pain meds, benzo's, etc., and they were "highly suggesting" Dr's. to start weaning people off these meds.
I'm not sure if this applied to PMD's or not but I was pissed off that the big wigs in Richmond were re-writing the rules, making decisions, and taking the decision making out of the Dr's hands without a clue as to how badly a patient may need these meds! I did learn VA was much more stringent than MD, where I had been going for about six years. I also believe this insane Obamacare crap is going to make things a lot more difficult, so things are only going to get worse.
Thank God I finally found one in December during a severe pain crisis through one of my orthopedists, and presently I'm taking 50 mgs. of Methadone, 20 of Percocet and 10-30mgs. of Diazepan per day. I'm not going into my history prior to 2010 because I'd be here all day. I WILL say tho that because of the length of time I had been on massive doses of pain meds (prior to 2010 in MD) I will need to be on Methadone (or something similar) for the rest of my life, as well as diazepam.
If you're still reading this particular thread I'd hope you're taking any meds (if you still are) for the reason they are intended. I'm getting increasingly angry at people in dire straits looking for pain meds and/or benzos to get high. This makes it, and is becoming, more and more difficult for those of us who REALLY need them to get them.
@Jo... do not feel bad for not knowing more than you do. Just be sure whenever you get a prescription and aren't familiar with it, LOOK IT UP. Find out side effects, everything you can. You have a right to know what you are ingesting and I won't take a thing unless I know what it is first. Like I never even heard of Nucynta
and don't know if it's available in the U.S. or what it is.
I once had a pain med specialist tell me that if you are taking high-powered meds, i.e., morphine, dilaudid, methadone, or whatever for extreme chronic PAIN you most likely won't get high. THIS is the psychological aspect of it. You will develop a physical tolerance (mine is through the roof!), and of course you know your body becomes physically addicted. This is a FACT so pay no attention to those who say they do get high on Methadone unless they're reaching out for help instead of bragging about getting high on it.
I started taking fairly small amount of Methadone and Oxy a little over a year ago and I don't get 'high' either. A small amount as far as I'M concerned considering my tolerance is higher than whatever relief I get from the meds I'm currently on. Prior to June 2010, I've gone the gambit over the years with failed back syndrome after four back surgeries left me permanently disabled. I'd been on massive amounts of pain meds and didn't get high.
All that said, I'm sorry to be so harsh (not intended for you, however), but I get really frustrated with those who take pain meds for reasons for which they are not prescribed. This makes it harder for those of us who truly need it.
@who cares....
Wow....U are one angry person to accuse me of what U have. Maybe your the cause of doctors not wanting to help those who need pain relief ? How on earth could a person's confusion over drugs cause that ?
The cause, is all the drug seekers out there, who use them for crap or to get high, or are out there selling them. I watched that happen at one doctor's office so I know that is going on A LOT !! I can't stand people who are doing that. But I somehow feel sorry for them too. (a little bit)
If your trying to tell me that Methadone is not a different type of Opiate... then I feel U are wrong. Why is it that doctors need a special license to prescribe it for drug addicts if this is so ? They can write for other Opiates without it. Explain this.
Yes. I read about Anna Nicole Smith, but her boyfriend had given her a mixture of opiates,benzos and alcohol. And lots of them, to have been caused death by them. Or maybe she took them herself, not knowing that she had ? It's people like that who cause doctors to not want to prescribe for us. Not me !!
I can almost understand it tho, b-coz when your in so much pain, all U want is relief. And sometimes, it's easy to forget how much U took last or when. U need to keep close track and maybe write it down when U took your last dose.
If U had read my last reply, U would've seen that I am a little naive on the drug front. I've not taken a myriad of them over the years. It was only recently, that I was tried on anything different for my pain, and they didn't help like the Methadone did.
I have seen that Methadone is indeed an Opiate, but I had thought it acted differently than most others. My bad, I guess ? But that's no reason for U to say the things U have about me. U are wrong.
But U are entitled to your opinion, so be it. I have no further use for U. So go about taking whatever drug U can get, since U know so much about them all. I simply trust my doctor. Not a bunch of drug seeker addicts who make it bad for those who are REALLY in pain.
My apologies to those who feel like they are addicts from taking meds for pain. I know that at times it feels that way B-coz we have become so dependent on them. I truly wish none of us were having the pain that we are. And if it means anything to U "whocares", I also hope U feel better soon too.
This is for Ms. Tweetie. I just happened to read what you said about Jo. Don't you have anything better to do than berate people on this forum. I thought this place was a place one could go and try to get help. All you seem to do is talk about other people and how much they don't know and that you have a friend who is a PhD. Who cares?? Why don't you try to help someone rather than belittle people. You are someone I can certainly do without. Every reply is so redundant. You're like a broken record. Please try to be kind and not find fault with everyone.
I don't know Mo, I am on klonopin and I am taking methadone prescribed by a pain clinic. They didn't seem to have a problem with it. My husband is on it a well.
Thank you,
Tessa
The medical field needs to get their act together. The clinics throw people out for using benzos yet it's Ok for a Dr. to prescribe them. Anything is dangerous if abused. I been on methadone for 10 years and at times have taken benzos during a loss of a loved one or something that happened that I needed calming. I'm still here. I've never taken more than 10mg of diazepam with 100 mls of methadone. At the present time I'm on 35 mls of methadone and still can't get a script for a mild benzo but they will give me something that turns me into a zombie--I just don't get it.
@CUGE - Post #23 - Tue, Mar 26 '13, 8:36 AM. You say, and I hope you are still following this thread:
"Your question is a year old and I hope you received what you need by now. I did want to answer so that maybe someone with a similar problem will read it. I don't know of any Dr. who would prescribe xanex or valium or any benzo with methadone. Reason being it's dangerous, could stop breathing. The clinics are getting tough on patients who continually show for benzos in UA.".
I have been on diazepam (Valium) for 13 years. I began taking it in 2003 after my third lumbar surgery, an ALIF (Anterior Lumbar Interbody Fusion), which ultimately 'failed' btw. I was seeing a PMDR in MD, where I happened to be living at the time. I'm not even going to list the amount of narcotics these people had me on at this point, it's ancient history. Except to say for a brief time I was given methadone (10mg x 4/day) for breakthrough. I actually didn't need it as I was taking such high doses of other meds, and it wasn't until I researched it I knew what it was. It was not common practice back then to prescribe Methadone for pain. That was a long time ago. In 2010 my Dr. lost his license to prescribe ANYTHING (as was his entire staff of CNP's who could also write these prescriptions lost their jobs). And I was forced on such short notice to go into a hospital to detox. It was my decision, facilitated by help and support from family members, however the place I chose, had I known how and who I would have been detoxed by I never would have gone. It is a very well respected hospital here in VA, but their freakin' detox unit is combined with their PSYCHIATRIC. Meaning, all doors locked, all my personal property (that a psych patient may attempt to hurt themselves with), which happened to be just about everything I brought except my clothes, were locked up. And to top it all off, my so-called 'detox' was supervised by those folks who I despise more than any other on the planet -- psychiatrists. And the STAFF! Don't even get me started. Ignorant psych techs, nurses treating those of us in for detox like leper's, drug addicts/alcoholics. Actually most detox patients WERE drug addicts and/or alcoholics. I was "opioid dependent", tho wasn't familiar with that term at the time either.
Pardon my language, but they f***ed me up so badly, and detoxed me so rapidly (actually I was not fully detoxed at discharge 13 days later) that I could have died. I had been taking prior to admittance 800mgs of Morphine, 8mgs of Dilaudid x 4/day, 10mgs Valium x 4/day and Ambien for sleep. I had been on this regimen (with a few changes over the period I was going there), for ten years! And never, EVER having taken any pain meds in my life, by the time I had my final lumbar surgery in 2004 (which consisted of complete reconstruction of my spine from L4-S1) AND permanently disabled, I thought for years what I was taking was 'normal'. Until I moved to Virginia in 2007, 60 miles away from this PMDR.
And yes, (this is for the all-knowing, self-righteous, sick in the head JO), I WAS traveling to another state to get my pain meds, as a LOT of pain patients have to do. Of which YOU Jo, in an accusatory comment, whined that I was "going out of state to get my meds." I don't forget this s*** from you, JO, and I have a whole list of untruths, dangerous and outright false information you've spewed on this forum alone! From the time I moved here from MD, every PMDR I went to here told me "to make sure the door didn't hit me in the ass on the way out". I was told THEY would lose their licenses if they prescribed the amount of meds I was taking. So for three more years I traveled the 120 mile RT from my home here to the MD doc. So F*** OFF with the pompous accusatory tone. And I'm not the only one you've done this to either and "U" know it!
OK, getting THAT out of my symptom, (I'm also documenting this as I have legal action pending against the 'facility' that almost killed me). On the day of discharge, I was so sick I could barely stand. I had lost 15 lbs in 13 days. Could not eat, drink, sleep, nothing. My body was starting to shut down and I knew it. Where I should have been given a really big dose of Methadone (tho didn't know it at the time), I was on a teeny weeny dose, along with Klonipan, and the dreaded Zoloft. On the 8th day they stopped the methadone altogether and just when I thought I couldn't get any sicker!
They kept putting off my discharge date which added unbelievable stress. Two days prior to discharge I begged the shrink who was ineptly treating me to PLEASE do some blood work because something is terribly wrong. I made him promise. Waited up all night (couldn't sleep) for the vampire lady to show up at 6:00am, and dammit to hell, they never did. Not only THAT I had requested to see a REAL MD, as I knew what was happening, that my body was beginning to shut down. This was denied me, so there's just ONE human rights violation right there.
So, they kicked my can to the curb on July 13, 2010. What a perfect day that was, because I 'woke up' and realized that I was smack dab in FULL BLOWN Valium withdrawal! It has a very long half life so could take about two weeks for w/d to even start.
And I thought things couldn't get any worse.
So the Valium w/d kicked in on discharge day and I started getting dry heaves so badly I thought I was going to upchuck my stomach. And HURT? Oh God. I was picked up, got home, and the first thing I did was call 911. Actually, I could have gone to the ER of the hospital I was just discharged from but was not thinking clearly. I was so sick I could barely TALK. The EMT's showed up, took my vitals and they were through the roof. I told them to take me to Reston Hospital which they did. I was there a week. I presented with severe dehydration, electrolytes totally out of whack, potassium, sodium, magnesium, you name it, everything one needs to survive I was severely lacking, which made me so weak I could barely stand. They HAD to put me back on the Valium or I would have started seizing and this alone could have killed me.
I laid in that hospital bed so sick I wished I would die I swear to God, and I still cry at that vivid memory after three years and two months.
To be continued.......
Ms. Tweetie, I believe at times you are losing sight about what this site is for. It has become so redundant the comments and the reposting of Jo's comments. This site was designed to help people which at one time was devoted to. I quit using it for a long time because of the petty comments. I only hope it can go back to helping where needed. Good luck to all!
Ms Tweetie, Do not confuse me with anyone. I have never said that one blocks the other nor would I. Never claimed to be a doctor and only offer advice on things I know. Over the years I have learned a few things and have helped where I can. In the past I used the site quite often but no longer do so because of all bad comments. I wish everyone good luck because it can be a difficult road. Take Care.
Yea they will :) I take 30mg of Methadone a day and 20mg of Valium. RX'd by the same Dr.
PRIMSEY,Is English your first launguge?I think not... But I digress we are hear to support and hopefully affect a change in the life's of the sick and Suffering.to jeopardize that mission makes you part of the problem not the solution.
P.S. I refuse to DUMB down because your intimidated by my intellect.VICTIMS SHOULD NEVER BACK DOWN BECAUSE ACTIVE ADDICTS JEOPARDIZE US ALL I speak from experience as a pain patient,Recovering addict and medical professional.Advocacy is best served from a bi lateral position.If my comment offended YOU ,I do not apologize. if my remarks offended OTHERS I do sincerely apologize.EMPATHY FOR THE ACTIVE ADDICTS DELUSTIONAL INTERPERTAIONS SHOULD NEVER EVER SIDE TRACK US.
That is absolutly not true ! I have been on Xanax for 14 years and on methadone and oxycodone for 5 years all from the same doc ! Methadone is great for long term pain for the day and then the oxy for break thru and the Xanax is no problem taking it together
I very much agree with you on this one! My doctor is giving me oxycodone & methadone, & I will tell you that I would much rather take the methadone over the oxys any day! They almost get rid of my pain completely (until they wear off), with little to no side effects. I really don't like how the oxys make me feel, especially when I have to work. I would take only methadone, if I had too. Methadone just makes me feel great & I don't get "high" like when I take an oxy.
Hey peach, read my other recent posts. Same goes for U.
Best chance of finding a dcotr to continue your current meds is getting into a hospital based pain management program. Once they see U are valid, they will accept U. They may say they only take cancer patients, but be persistent. Mine did that but I kept going anyway. Get your foot into the door no matter what they tell U. Make sure U somehow get in to actually see a doctor. Don't be shy. Plus...if your going to a local hospital, U usually don't have to travel too much to get there, like getting to some other doctors I use to have. They can be hours away & I hate driving !! Hope it works out for U.
Just want to commend you for stepping up. I don't understand why people who need pain relief are treated like an addict. I experienced it. I think it is inhumane. Yes it's true there are some who want these pills to get high but when you have surgeries and obvious problems with back,etc. we should be dealt with in a way much different than an addict. I've been told most Dr's. are afraid to prescribe. I could tell stories but would be here all day. I'll tell one.--I had a root canal on the same day 3 Dr's. were arrested in my town for writing scripts for Oxycontin. My Dentist would not give me anything for pain because of that. In the past he would give me 6 vicodin for 2-3 days.
Hi Ms. Tweetie,
I'm very glad U are getting the medications U need for your pain. Your right about doctors being able to write scripts for pain medications, but they can't write for Methadone as an addiction treatment. That's why I couldn't understand the fear in my primary's office to write any for me. That time...was a total horror for me.
I was running into several doctors...including Anesthesiologists, who were telling me they didn't have the special license needed to write my script for Methadone. I didn't know who to believe. He would write me Percocet or Nucynta, but not Methadone.
I truly think he was calling me an addict. He was also the one who tried to send me to a Meth clinic !!
It's just a horrible thing to go thru. Bad enuff your in terrible pain. Then U have to put up with unfeeling doctors who treat U like your an addict.
He was also trying to talk me into letting him put me in a hospital to infuse me with Ketamine. He scared the bajeebers out of me !! Told me there was nothing else for pain to help me. Then he was also saying that my pain was only minor, when I had had several EMG's saying otherwise. Grrrrr !! Man...did I wish it on him !!
Ketamine, by the way is used during operations, mixed with other drugs, to paralyze U so U don't wake up during your procedure.
Holy cow !! I really didn't want to go there. Not to mention how expensive it is....
Anyway, it's true. Most doctors can write scripts for the other opioids. It's just terribly hard to get them to do it these days. I don't think P.A.'s are allowed to write for narcotics w/o a doctors permission. They can write for antibiotics tho. I don't think RN's can write scripts either. Not unless they have a special license/degree to. Altho I know one of my past pain management doctors allowed his nurse to write them and he just signed them off. I didn't feel that was right. Showed laziness on the doctor's part. Pushing off his duties on his nurse. Plus it showed he didn't care.
I can't totally blame their fears, with so many going in and getting these hard knock drugs to either get high or sell them. But if U can substantiate your pain, I see no reason to give a patient such a hard time.
All I want, is to be able to have some quotient of a life.
Without the right meds, that isn't gonna happen. Why can't they see this ? Even if I were using a wheelchair, I still would have 100% of the pain and that's no way to live. U can't !! Pain takes so much away from a person's life, it's really inhumane.
I do not use any medications other then an aspirin for you information. You have been very active on this forum going from extensive knowledge to saying things like you had no idea that methadone could get people high. The methadone clinics are licensed to give methadone as a treatment for opiate replacement. There is no special license a MD needs to write a prescription for methadone specifically. Physicians needs classes in addiction to prescribe triplicates. That could be Desoxyn (methamphetamine) , Morphine and Methadone. There are sub-classes of NARCOTICS that range from 1-5. The Methadone you speak of is a Schedule II Narcotic in the United states requiring a triplicate prescription. You talk so much about people judging but, you sit right here and tell me to " go take all the drugs I want"...when or where did I ever say I took or used drugs? You have argued continually with everyone on here about a subject you have very extensive knowledge of and pretend to be so naive or unaware. You are very aware that what you are taking is a very strong narcotic and is used to treat Heroin addicts because, it is so strong. They can not give a heroin addict Vicodin or Lortab because it is not strong enough to curb their withdrawals. So how does it make you feel to be taking a narcotic that is basically in the same line with heroin? I think you know full well that Methadone can get a person high if they take a large enough dose. I also thing you take it to get high.
@Jo... I may be way off base here but you REALLY should get your facts straight before posting a lot of this stuff you appear to not know a thing about. You come across as very judgmental, and worse yet, condescending with a major focus being on the defensive (of your own experience?) of obtaining Methadone for pain as you're "not an addict". Who cares! I take methadone, get a script monthly along with one for Oxy and don't give a damn what others may think. Only me, my doctor and my pharmacist know what and why I take Methadone for anyway. It's no big deal anymore.
You come across sounding like you've been "doc shopping" quite a bit. OR appear all over the place responding to other's stories from people not on this thread is making ME confused. Do you live in the U.S., because some of the things you mention (seeing Anesthesiologists for instance), unheard of in the U.S. as far as I know, Primary care docs, methadone clinics(?), it's been difficult trying to figure out just where you're getting your meds and what you're taking. Do you have ANY idea how strong Methadone is? I found out on these forums that Methadone is actually considered stronger than Oxycodone, so if you take a 60mg dosage of Methadone, the converters show that you'd need 150mgs of Oxycodone. THAT'S A LOT OF OXY!!! Not to mention the potency of Methadone.
What dose of Methadone are you on and have you ever taken it in liquid form at a clinic. You weren't clear talking about a place near you where people would show up on motorcycles and leave with prescriptions. Sound like some illegal activity going on there if the 'doc' was giving out scrips for "cash" visits.
I get a sense you are very young (pardon if I'm wrong), but for you to tell people NOT to take benzos such as Valium or Xanax with Methadone or other pain meds is downright WRONG. Methadone DOES NOT inhibit or affect the effects of benzo's. ALCOHOL will! It could also KILL you if taken at the same time.
Also, you talk a lot about KNOWING much about methadone maintenance clinics but say you've never been to one because you "aren't an addict". And it blows my mind that your preference for anxiety is PAIN meds? You said this! "Personally I preferred the narcotic for anxiety tho, since I didn't need to take it every day."
And once AGAIN you apologized for providing incorrect information". Please try to concentrate on what some of these people are saying. You're not a doctor, don't claim to be one, so it's not necessary to respond to every single post unless you have FACTS to back it up, not just your experience.
@whocares,
Okay, so I got the wrong impression from U. It looked like U were making accusations that weren't true of me so I got angry.
I really don't have professional knowledge of all of these drugs. I can only say the things I've been told or have seen. I guess most people on here are having a hard time with the fact that I am not a professional. So it's probably better that I don't try to comfort anyone's feelings, since it looks like I'm doing a bad job. My apologies.
I'm not guilty of any of the accusations made on me. Just so U know. I had gone to a doctor who I felt was reputable, but later found out she was doing wrong things. Why am I so guilty for that ? I was being honest.
And the only reason I have had a few different doctors, is all because of these DEA regulations that have scared most doctors not to prescribe anymore. So I had no choice if I wanted any relief for my pain.
That situation has ended, thank God, because I am now in a hospital based program.
I suffer from Peripheral Neuropathy for the last 18 years and have only been being treated with these strong medicines for the last 7 to 8 years. These were chosen by a doctor, Not me. The other medicines I have mentioned were mostly from one temporary doctor who was trying to tell me to use those instead of the Methadone. A "weaning" of sorts, I suppose. But I knew that if I wasn't given a huge dose of them, which probably would've gotten me high to some degree, they wouldn't work as well for my pain, so I did not continue them. I, personally don't understand why a doctor would allow me to take other narcotics but not the Methadone if it's been the only thing that has helped over the years.( Just my opinion. ) I think most of us are so fed up with the actual drug addicts ruining the comfortability of us having our own doctors turn us away now, that we are jumping down others throats.
In any case...rest easy that I will not be giving anybody advice on their drug use or choice of drugs taken. Doesn't seem to help that I'm telling my story or not. People just aren't understanding me.
Be well.
@Ms. Tweetie,
I feel really bad that your feeling this way about me. Your opinions have been forming like crazy. I'm sorry for that. I guess in my attempt to help people it may look that way. Tho since I'm not that knowledgeable on all of this I probably shouldn't say all the things I've said because of too much misunderstanding of me. This tends to happen online a lot. I should realize this.
Okay now. For one thing. I do live in the USA. I am in New Jersey. I have never gone to a Methadone clinic where they give patients the liquid form of it for addictions. I only know they exist. The only reason it may seem like I've been "doctor shopping", is because I went for a special treatment meant for my Neuropathy and during that time, my regular treating doctor had quit on me, so I was seeing a doctor temporarily for my pain while getting this new treatment. Then I had to find a permanent doctor; which is the hospital plan, but they have a waiting list, so I was without my meds for some weeks and suffering tremendously. I'm sure U know what that feels like.
I was not trying to judge U for taking both Methadone & Oxy. I was on the same mixture for a while. However, I know that my new doctor doesn't like doing that and have since stopped using the Oxy. It's difficult, but who knows ? Maybe at some later time, if I can't stand the pain in between doses of the Methadone, I may need to take it again ? I suppose U may know how long a dose of methadone lasts for U ? I know for me, it lasts about 6 hours. Then I either need another dose or I used to take an Oxy. Right now, I just suffer in between.
I'm trying.
A lot of what U say is very true. I can understand what your saying about many things. I am not here to judge U at all. Nor do I want others to judge me. I Will say it again. I am not a professional drug person. I only say things I either have experienced myself or heard other patients experiencing. The ones who rode in on the motorcycle to my old doctor is who I was talking about. That doctor, unfortunately, used poor medical practices, which I wasn't aware she was doing until much later. I no longer see her. But I did report her to my present doctor.
I don't mess around with illegal stuff. And like U, only my doctor, my pharmacist, and myself know the reasons why I am on the meds I am. So like U feel...Who cares ?
I get very upset when I come across people "using" for reasons I don't feel are valid. U know how badly they are ruining it for those of us who really need it. I agree, wholeheartedly.
If I insulted U somehow, I am sorry. But please don't feel that I am here to harm anyone. Never my intention.
U seem to understand a lot about all of these medicines. Much more than I do. And I appreciate your sharing your knowledge. I also agree that using alcohol isn't a good choice to do while taking these meds, tho I admitted I had had champagne at a wedding. Forgive me, but I am human.
I don't use alcohol in general at all. It makes me vomit.
Just that day, was an unusual occurrence. My honesty seems to have gotten me in trouble with U.
If it really bothers U that I am here, I just won't come back.
I lost my normal site for this sort of thing. I used to go on to a site for pain patients but they closed up. It was a good source for information on pain medications, but now it's gone; so I was sort of happy that I found this one. Maybe it isn't what I thought it was ? I dunno. Maybe ?
If I can answer anything more for U, please let me know. I am honest.
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