Which Is Stronger 15mg Ms Contin Or 15mg Oxycodone (Page 4)

I wonder what the difference is between 15MG MS Contin vs 15 Mg Oxycodone. Is there a substitute for MS Morphine..I take 2 30mg MS Contin twice a day and also with that I take 15MG MS Contin twice per day..which of course is 45mgs at a time..with 3 15mg Oxcodone for breakthru pain. I was taking 20 mg Oxycontin 3 times a day etc. But my insurance wasn't paying for the oxy. So what I take now is paid for. Do any of you have any suggestions of what would work better for the pain..since I changed to morphine it doesn't seem to do the trick..this is long..but any answers would be very appriciated..Thanks..

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Get your doctor to give you the Fetonal 27mg patch. I was on it for 2 weeks, the pain went away and I became Joe Zombie. Took myself off of them.

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I have been suffering in severe neck pain need a cervical spinal fusion and also have about 5 migraines a week and have been on Percocet for 30 months my dr cut me off cold turkey and put me on hydromorphone and had trouble breathing went back to see him and put me on the same thing after he new I wasn't able to take it gave me a quick release and it did nothing for my pain and then today gave me ms cotin same god dame thing and I have never abused drugs or alcohol have no addictions I haven't been able to fuction like a normal person since he took me off my oxy's crying in pain and throwing up about 3 times a day any suggestions on how I can get my oxy's back I'm only on 5 mg 8 per day

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ManyDoctors, unfortunately, are afraid of the DEA that is stands before their oath as Doctors. I've seen it as well. The lesser strength drugs draw no scrutiny. So, easier for them. Especially if you are in a area with known drug problems. Not fair to a valid patient , but true.

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O find that the ms contin works MUCH better then the oxy's!!! I'm taking 8 10/325mg of oxy's and 8 15 mg of morphine and I just find that the morphne works Much Much better!!! But I guess different narcotics works differently for people. That's what people that post on here have to take into account, what works for one person might not work for another.

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I tried MSContin for a month or two, but I found it did not treat the pain as well, and it caused more drowsiness...like at a red light ....I have determined by the way, that the Oxycodone tabs present MUCH better pain relief than OxyContin ..many attribute this to the chemical changes made to lessen the abuse of the "Contin"
I know I certainly know the difference.

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Methadone 10 mg will feel like the oxy also Valium will help with breakthrough pain and u should be feeling good :)

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Thanks Sarah, I had a Local Doc suggest Methadone once as he was too afraid of the DEA ro prescribe Opiods. But the one time I spoke with a lady with spinal issues that was on Methadone she was a Zombie !!

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I'm a disabled iraq war veteran I suffer from PTSD and I was shot in my spine area no my doctor at she va in chilliocoth Ohio treats me like a druggie and taking me off of my pain meds cold Turkey I'm in pain I'm rated 100 percent completely disabled please help me I served my country and I would do it again tim a

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Yes its so wrong that the dea has no idea about the real people with chronic pain. I have no idea what to do. I just again went trough the runaround. What about quality of life. Just wanna live. My condition is inoperable and drs don't care. I'm a speck on the planet.

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Please check your spellings of the medications that you're talking about because a person really seems (not saying outright), like an addict when "slang" or incorrect spelling of narcotics is used. Percocet is correct, NOT PERCOSET< LOL!! Any it's almost insane to say that your "percoset" isn't working but you want oxycodone. They ARE the same thing. Then only difference is that Percocet has the added medication of Tylenol with it, that's all. Anyone getting straight oxycodone is "just that", without anything extra added. To most of us "users" out there it is also a red flag coming up when someone says that one thing works, but another doesn't (when the two that the person is asking about ARE actually the SAME DARN THING!) One just has another medication added to it.

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The only reason that lady was a zombie was probably cause her dose was way to high, I don't think you should goo above 80mgs if you are trying methadone.

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Honestly I've been where you are. It's not more pain relief that you need, it's what you thought, it's an addicts craving. I'm not being mean, but it's unethical for any doctor, even a pain clinic doctor (and I'm going to one), to prescribe Percocet 10/325 10 TEN times a day! I'm sorry, that's true. First off, you would be getting too much of the Tylenol portion of the pill (the 325 part, being Tylenol), and I'm surprised that you're not into liver failure yet. There is a ceiling of about 3000/4000 mg of Tylenol a day and after that, of in fact after many years, that constant about of Tylenol will kill your liver and without a transplant, a person would most likely die. And especially, after hearing your story about when adding/trying the newest combo (with the Methadone), and having it worked for so long and now saying "we're right back where we were", and "it doesn't touch or help my pain out anymore, I need MORE", that's another red flag or tell tale sign that it's the addict/craving in the body (more accurately your brain), saying that you need more, because honestly, I'm gonna tell you, if you got more, where would it go? LOL and that does sound funny, because where imagine a bee's honey come and that big bee hive, and all those little cones. You have all those bee's makin trips out to the flowers (the pharmacy in this case, LOL), coming back with enough nector to fill up one of the cones, and then going out to get more and coming back to yet fill up another cone. There comes a point, and here's the scary part, what happens when all the cones are now FULL and the bees are getting the mistaken message from the queen (in our case, the brain), that we need MORE! MORE!

The cones are full and if we got more, where do we put it, where does/will it go? This can lead to an overdose, and perhaps even a coma. I'm not being mean, but by simply saying that when your doctor initially had to drop down your Percocet dose and you telling us by saying that nothing worked now and you had NO pain relief? That again sends up a red flag, because people that are truly in pain, just having the pain medication dropped some should (you're right here, but only to a point), not give you the same amount of pain relief, but considering that 1-10 pain scale that we all get asked about, it's simply that red flag or it's the brain/addict talking inside of us when we say that without the original "full" dose of what I HAD been getting I won't have ANY/NOPE/NONE/NO pain relief at all. That simply cannot be true. Now if you said that instead of my pain leveling off down to a 2-3 on my old dosing amount and now that I can't have/take as much, it's only coming down to a 4-5 level of pain (remember that scale of 1-10), then you don't sound like, or come across as an addict. Honestly, can you see now or understand what the "first guess" by the pain doctor in his mind would be if you said that simply by him dropping how "Much" or how "many" pills you can take a day took your pain relief from giving you a quality of life, and then now you NO/NONE, ZERO relief because he dropped one of the pills down from 10 a day to 6? Again, when the body is truly in pain and you get pain medication being put in you (remember back to a day when you were in recovery in a hospital, getting narcotic/strong pain meds being pushed up to you through an IV and even though what you were just given WAS NOT enough, you felt it and YES it helped, perhaps NOT enough, but you did feel it and it did help some.

You then had to tell them and say that it helped, but I'm still in agony, but if you simply would have said that you felt nothing, imagine what goes through the docs/nurses mind right there, after they just got done IV'ing you with morphine IV or maybe even Fentanyl? So it's just me, but you need to handle and talk about it from a clinical standpoint and you being in a professional setting (a legitimate pain clinic), talking to your pain doctor and saying that you pain relief and level according to the 1-10 scale, had me first down to a "whatever you feel", and then now I'm only able to get as much relief with it coming down to a "whatever you feel", rather than just by saying that you all of a sudden has NO relief now whatsoever. Imagine lastly then, and I'm sure that you would really get my point (and so would your body and pain relief level), understand how you can't go from a 3-4 level down to no pain relief just by having your meds dropped down a little. Here's the experiment. Go fo three full days and take NOTHING. That's right, take NOTHING for pain. If that keeps you only in bed and from there just to the bathroom and back, then do it. Perhaps only go or make it to two days if you can, but ONE day won't work for this idea. Because if you asked to take a UA and a person wanted NO narcotics to come up in their results, you're have to be off of any narcotic's for a full three days. This would also allow the body or understand and know that it's NOT getting anything more for pain and really, it would being your pain levels back really, really bad, maybe even a 10!! Then, on the fourth day (or second), start in the morning and go only on the dosing schedule and your amount of meds that you're supposed to be taking which included the lower dose of meds (the 6 percs a day rather than 10). Now at the end of that first day, perhaps after taking that last pill in the evening, I will bet you and there is NO WAY that you could sit there and tell me that you did NOT feel a single bit of relief throughout the entire day.

It's just not chemically possible. Understanding how pain pills work and being back on some pain meds, making your brain "opiate" receptors "fill back up" with your pain meds again (the cones being once again filled by the bees), is that trigger that tells you that you are now getting relief again (yes, and that "high" feeling), that returns, either quickly or slowly. This would also be a great way to (being from a fresh start), honestly see what the new, lowered dosage of meds), would bring your pain levels down to now (using that 1-10 pain scale). By the way, and another thing that someone would get the impression about by reading your post and seeing those red flags (with the word addict), come up again and again. This is because (and no one is judging or forcing you to tell us), but again with how you talked about you "having to have more" and by saying that nothing "works" now anymore and getting now "no relief" because of the lowered dosage - many people, myself included were wondering throughout all of your rant, "is this person suffering through an illness that ultimately produces death?". I thought many time, with the way that you were talking, you made your "desperation" sound like you were going to die (many times in-fact, LOL). Of course none of this is funny, but when another person (like myself), has been through both sides of the coin (being in real pain - chronic pain and needing round the clock narcotic pain meds), and then also realzing and having to always have/need "MORE and MORE and MORE", it's ultimately going to happen even if you don't want it to, that you're body physically becomes addicted to these meds and there's a fine line between physical/mental dependency when truly being in chronic pain and then being an addict that just needs more, more and more. I would often sit/ask myself, if I were just at the pharmacy and I could choose/take the meds I wanted and even take the dosage and strength of what I wanted (after being told what everything is and being told that with/by certain combo's, I could kill myself).

I would then sit and ask myself, would I be able to control/ per day would I would need to take and have a set limit, or would I always be going back to the "cookie jar" many/several times a day just thinking that "one more pill/inj./swig of that narcotic med will do it"? If you tell yourself that you would not handle this situation without a doctor or pharmacist or some sort of guidance being put into play with regards to how much of what you could have a day (even saying that YOU GOT TO PICK), but then after that, the pharmacy doors would LOCK and if that was at the end of the evening (or be it just in the middle of the afternoon, you would be DONE with what you could take/were given. So again, by reading your post, and the way that you talk, I would be scared for you because I would be led to believe that if you were given the keys to the pharmacy and were given the knowledge of what everything was and just "what not to take together or without at least this many hours in between, you would end up in an overdose and or coma situation. Again, I keep thinking and coming back to this "this person MUST have something to where he/she is dying. It must be Cancer or something that is simply never going to get better (or what). I know, respect and understand that those things/situations do exist BUT no matter what's wrong with us and no matter HOW bad the pain levels are, just ALWAYS, and PLEASE remember the Bee Hive, the HIVE and those bee's filling those cones and when we get to that point where the cones are filled and the queen still is telling the bee's to go out and get more (with NO PLACE/-Cones to put it in). Scary and I wouldn't want to see all those bee's and the queen overdosing on that honey and or that hive (be in your brain), slip into a permanent coma for the rest of your life. Good luck.

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Charsley, thank you for that very detailed and accurate post! Those of us that have been on this road for a long time ( 7years for me) completely understand the concept as you explained it. It is tough to self control the fine line between the pain of addiction and the pain of real pain, although we all recognize it even if we don't admit it. I've been able to stay behind that curve and not keep increasing, and in some cases reduce my dose for periods. But it takes willpower and recognizing that part of the battle.

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Hi, I'd also like to thank you for your explanation. I'm another one whose under that radar. I can't say that it's easy. But I've been on the same dose & milligram for a very long time. Because it works for me personally. I'm prescribed that extra one IF needed. However it's Very rare that I ever have to take it. And if I do? I call my doctor because that means my Lupus or rsd/crps is out of control. I also like for him to know what's going on.
I also take chemo so it's imperative that he knows any changes I make in my meds. Even if it's that extra pain med as my Dr. And I call it he gives me a day.
Anyway once again, Thank you for that post. I enjoyed the way you explained it. I sure could've used that explaination about a month ago. When my neighbors son had an issue. Very sad story.
Everyone have a good day.

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You folks seems to be taking these pain pills like they're skittles, LOL. I don't mean to be flip, but my goodness, what you're already on, or say you're taking should literally lay a cow out or put a horse down. The only other thing I could of that you haven't mentioned (and frankly I'm surprised), is that you're not on or using those three day/72 hour fentanyl patches (which I'm sure you're aware of), that fentanyl is one of thee or strongest pain medications known to man on earth. It's usually only given through IV in a hospital setting after surgery, but I know that they make those patches that are worn on the skin and the pain medication is absorbed that way. Those should help anyone who's really in dire pain. A person needs to remember that a body's opioid receptors in the brain, can only receive/hold only so much pain medication. It's like filling a bucket with water; after it's full, you're just spilling over good medication that's essentially going to waste because the "bucket" or pain receptor is essentially already full. It's like putting or filling your gas tank with the highest or best grade of gas, when it's full, if you keep pumping more in, the tank just overflows and that extra gas just spills out onto the ground, it does no good and it's basically waste. And unlike you're gas tank or the bucket scenario, a person's pain receptors for opioids (pain medications), will eventually build up a certain amount of tolerance to whatever is being taken. So if you don't take it easy, then "even the best and most expensive bottle of whiskey ain't gonna work anymore". I'm not trying to accuse or point a finger towards any type of abuse, but many/most people would "be in their glory" just to get a small portion of the meds that you already talk about as being common place for your medicine cabinet. IN other words, Ito would be happy to get what you're already been offered/given.

Someone that says morphine isn't doing the trick anymore, seems to have an issue that pain pills just can't solve anymore, because if you think about it, morphine drips are used everyday in this country to "manage" people pain and when I say that, it's used in ever increasing doses to essentially allow some people (we're talking rest homes and hospice care), to die. I'm basically saying that given enough morphine, continuously, at ever increasing dosages, will kill anyone. So I'm just being honest when I say that if I hear someone saying that morphine just isn't doing the trick anymore, makes me wonder. It may not be that fast acting, highly potent stuff that gives a person that "ahhhhh" feeling 5 minutes after they take it, but I know from personal experience that as it is allowed to build up in the body and especially when a person is given dosages that go higher and higher, it simply "HAS" to work. At some point, a person would have a lethal dose in their system and because it does the body (in most people), a while for the relief to occur and morphine takes its time to metabolize in the body as well as the time it takes for the levels in the blood stream to come down, this is why it's such a good drug, all be it that it takes perhaps a little longer to have or peak at it's best effect, but too much and too high of a dose taken continuously can and will kill a person. So perhaps, under a doctor's supervision, the frequency and dosage can and should be increased, but there is no doubt that at a high enough dose and taken maybe more often than previously, WILL work for anyone (except perhaps to those that are allergic to morphine). But in all normal circumstances, I simply cannot see any point where someone would say "it just doesn't do the trick anymore", without at least getting a higher dose and taking it more often than before. Just an FYI, this is one main reason why addicts don't like morphine. Oh don't get me wrong, they like the feeling, but for many of them, it's not "instant" enough of a gratification and by the time they feel that it's "working" for them or "doing" the trick, what they don't know is that they have so much build up in their system, that if they take any more or add "another" med to it at the same time or during their morphine binge (like oxy or fentanyl), they're most surely die, or perhaps go into a coma.

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I followed the link to the Oxycontin data. Thanks for that. Here is a copy of a quote from that page -

Equivalency
Taken orally, the conversion ratio between morphine to extended release oxycodone is reported as 2:1

So, it is 2:1. Not 1.5:1.

Just wanted to clarify. Thanks for helping me find this info :)

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There are many helpful comments here. To those of you who actually suffer from chronic pain, I thank you for your insight, your wisdom and your advice. Hang in there and never give up! It has been very helpful to read through them today.

For the rest of you who are obviously addicted, I say... Please go somewhere else. You may think you are blending in, but it is SO obvious that you just want advice on abusing Rx meds. Its obvious based on the inexperienced statements you make, the inaccurate comments you make about the "stash" you "scored" and the misspelled drug names you don't seem to know about. Anyone who says that "MS Contin sucks, Tramadol is way better" is obviously detracting from a helpful conversation and severely misinformed.

I don't want to be heartless, I know I sound like an a**hole. I also know addiction is such a difficult thing. Its just hard to read your posts when it's a choice you made. Yes, your body and mind might be addicted now, but you made that decision initially. There are those of us who didn't choose this life.

It is a fine line for those of use who live every day on powerful pain meds, living between controlling pain and second guessing ourselves, always wondering if we are becoming an addict too or if we are trying to live with debilitating pain. So when I read how cavalier you are about your addiction and your drugs that "don't do nothin for me no more", it makes me really sad that I am in the same sad place that you are.

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Just an update. I've been stable at 20mg OxyContin every 8 hours and a 5mg oxycodone twice a day in between. So far have not had to change the dosage in a long time, almost two years. There are days that are tough at the end of the day to make it to that doe, but I wear a TENS unit that helps. I'm in a area where the Barometric pressure fluctuates a lot, and that sets my pain off easily. Another way I can help it is my hot tub. I've started to have daily pain in my neck now and am hoping it is not related to the osteoarthritis. So far that has been controlled with simply IcyHot pads and heat pads off and on. The BEST prescription I have found is to keep busy and not sit around and feel sorry for myself over this bad luck.

I also recently was transferred over to a Pain Specialist from my PCP and I was concerned about how that would go after reading many posts about bad experiences but I have a mountain of documentation and steady history of my issue and it was a very pleasant experience, I like my Doctor and appreciate what he is dealing with concerning abusers as opposed to valid patients. I hope others are fairing as well.

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Sorry but 10/650 is taking a massive amount of Tylenol at same time.aka destroying your liver.if your gonna take Percocet is ask for 10/325. That's half the Tylenol.I been taking 20 mg OxyContin 3 daily n due to cost may switch to MS Contin most likely 30 mg 3 daily.any suggestions.

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Hi I'm new to this but I would like to know if you think that since I take 4 to 5 Norco 10 325 and 3 tramadol a day and switch to ms contin 15 my 2 times a day will help me with my pain cause my doctor just switch my meds please help with question.

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