Taking Subutex And Percocet Together (Page 21)

My doctor just put me on subutex along with percocet. I've been on percocet for yrs for severe and chronic migraines. He told me to take the subutex and if it doesn't work to take a percocet. I usually take 15 mg percocet at a time. I've read some stuff online that worries me. Some people say if you take percs with subutex you'll go into withdrawals. I went through severe withdrawals with fioricet months ago and I don't want to go through that hell again. I took my first subutex about an hour ago and I still have a migraine so I want to take a perc now. Can I do that or will I get sick?

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Sounds like u have all the answers!!!! I'm just speaking from my own personal experience and I am not mistaken or wrong on what it did to me I know they both have blockers I'm just simply saying what taking subutex and oxycodone did to me. And someone else may not have the same experience. Methadone would be by far the worst thing u can take if u don't ever wanna experience withdrawals again that stuff will make u wanna kill yourself I've came off of that too and I'd take any kind of withdrawal over that, seriously. But I'm done now I was just trying to say what my experience was but like I said u have an answer for everything so I've learned to quit while I'm ahead some people are always right and know more about situations than anyone else even if they have personally gone thru it themselves they are tried to b convinced their wrong or whatever. Oh well

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SWEETPEA: Holy crap, calm down!! I am not saying I have "all the answers" whatsoever. I am actually AGREEING with you, and am merely explaining (to ANYONE on here, not solely to YOU) how these things work. While you may know how they work, I come across people on here DAILY who actually do not. I never once said you were "wrong" or "mistaken", and you seem to want to read a whole TON of your own insanity into what I said! Jeez, maybe you should look into some psych meds next or some sedatives or something. Wow, just.....wow. Relax already!!

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SWEETPEA: I am actually involved in medical research now, and I am interested in everyone's different experiences with these things. I just went back and re-read what I wrote, and I have no idea how you got any of that craziness out of what I said, but I'm stunned. NOWHERE did I say you were "wrong", and I merely explained why you could have had that particular experience. And you lose your mind over THAT? I hope you find peace, cuz wow, that was weird.

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I have peace I was just going thru and reading some of the other posts and there was people that u did say was wrong and that they shouldn't put such misinformation on here that's the whole reason I even posted my experience and u even had to justify on mine y I felt like I did and didn't have the withdrawals. Not goin crazy about it by any means I'm just saying there are some people out there that have all the answers to anything and everything.

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SWEETPEA: Right. People who say things like "there is no way you can have withdrawals as long as you take Subutex" are indeed, wrong. These are not people who are posting their "experience", these are people who read about Naloxone, but know nothing about Buprenorphine itself. They think that if there is no Naloxone in there, that they are safe. They are, point black, giving bad and downright dangerous advice. You were posting your experience, and I was merely stating WHY you most likely had that experience. I never once said you were "wrong".

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Well I apologize if I came off as an a hole. I just took it wrong I guess but I knew I wasn't wrong about how I felt. My husband tho he used to mix suboxone with a lil opana said he liked the way he felt but that would make me sicker than s***. Every individual is different no doubt about that.

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SWEETPEA: No, in no way was I saying you were "wrong". Sorry if it sounded like that. There are so many variables with these things and everyone is, indeed, different.

Interesting fact tho.. Since Buprenorphine itself (Subutex) is a "blocker", do you know why they even put Naloxone in Suboxone? It is actually in there to keep people from taking it intravenously. If you do that with Suboxone....INSTANT withdrawal. Now that I posted that, undoubtedly there will be someone who comes and says "I take Suboxone intravenously all the time!!!".... On THAT? I will definitely call BS! :)

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You cant! You are absolutely correct! Subtext has no narcan and therefore it will NOT make you withdraw! The ONLY way you can withdraw from if you are taking an opiate and then you take asuboxone (the kind with narcan) then you will go into severe withdraw however, anyone already on suboxone and then takes an opiate WILL NOT go into withdraw. The opiate receptors will just kick it away because the narcan will not release the opiate receptors. That's why the docs wait until your withdraw to give you the first dose of suboxone. ( they actually give you subtext first to make sure they don't put you in full blown withdraw just incase you weren't fully in withdraw. Then they'll give you the script for suboxone to get filled at the pharmacy. Once you're on suboxone, any other kind of opiate will not phase you. The narcan won't give up the receptors! I know I'm a ten year vet at this!
And finally free from all of it THANK YOU GOD! I still get the occasional headaches but nothing excedrine migraine won't get rid of!
Good luck to all of you!

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ANNA: Would you like me to explain to you why you are wrong? Another expert speaking with such authority, and is yet so completely WRONG.

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ANNA: I went into full-blown precipitated withdrawal from SUBUTEX, not SUBOXONE. The BUPE ITSELF is also an "opiate blocker" and can and will throw you into withdrawal if taking in doses over 16 mgs, too soon after full agonist opioids. Please do a bit more research before posting as if you are some kind of expert on Buprenorphine. Because if someone actually LISTENS to you, they could be in for a world of hurt.

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I tore the cartilage in my knee and I'm in pain. I've been taking subutex for 2 months what can I take with subutex that will knock out this pain and I will be safe to mix the medicine! Please help me I'm hurting so bad!

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It is different in individuals from what I see. I've been on subutex for 3 years and have had 4 surgeries, today most recent. In my experience I stop taking my subutex and within 48 to 72 hours the opiates by no means cause euphoria, but they handle the pain. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT!!

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ANNA: I just re-read your comment. How you could get so much bad and just plain wrong information into one paragraph really is amazing.

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You take your Subutex then the perc... if you take an opiate blocker then take an opiate. Your gonna wish you hadn't. Problem is the Subutex or suboxone will cancel out the percocets. Or at least you'll barely feel the affects of the percocets. I was In a accident and had 16 surgeries. I was on every pain med out there. I take Subutex now daily ... also take roxy condone 30mg AFTER I TAKE THE SUBUTEX. REHASH: SUBUTEX 1ST THEN PAIN MEDS

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MYKL ZUCK: Thank you!! Crap, if I had a nickel for everyone who thinks the naloxone is even a THING with this drug. For every "expert" on here who things "as long as there's no narcan in it blah blah blah....." UGH!!! SUBUTEX OR SUBOXONE, the DRUG ITSELF is a "blocker"... the bioavailabililty of Naloxone sublingually is like 10 percent, and is in there to keep people from taking it intravenously. It is the BUPE ITSELF that is the damned "blocker". If any of you throw yourself into precipitated withdrawals from listening to these *****S, then I guess it's on you. "I've been on this for 10 years and I know ALL about it!!!" No, you obviously DON'T!!! Un flipping real.

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Very true..people get mixed up about the two..buprenorphine itself is the real blocker n antagonist that makes other opiates bounce off the receptors ..suboxone is a cash cow they added a lil naloxone to act like it's less likely to be abused but it's not true cuz I know people who abuse their suboxone strips..same as a person could do with subutex too but it's a waste as well ..so it's so hard to get the original cheaper subutex because of this trick suboxone makers spread..but most doctors know subutex itself has a ceiling effect to where u can take 1 or 10 n u will feel no difference so it is not some big a useable drug anymore then suboxone ..just paying 600 for a script of suboxone or like 150 for the subutex..n reckitt bankster who makes suboxone I think are doing some kind of kick backs n their pamphlets are all over sub docs offices. But I also heard that the makers of suboxone tell the dea these lies n tell on docs writing subutex instead of their suboxone n the dea is allegedly busting docs balls for writing subutex n I heard limiting it to 60 pills a month instead of the normal 90 n u can get up to 120 a month like I was after I had a car accident and doc kept me on that but I would have leftovers but not have to worry..now I have to find a new doc n the ones near me only wanna write suboxone. even know my doc wrote on the first few scripts patient cannot take naloxone. i told him about my allergic reactions when I tried the suboxone two diff times b4. he came n opened an office here but his original office is in miss. I was on at his office here for months then all of a sudden he says he's closing down cuz of money n the chiropractor who was suppose to go in with him backed out but he said I could come to his office in miss. N even sent out letters to all the patients here saying we can if we want n won't have to pay the initial 500$ fee again..yea a lot..two hour drive from here n he started giving a refill so I was going..n all of a sudden this last month his sec. Said something about I'm trying to come to early but she was totally wrong but was accusing me then she figured out it wasn't that n that's the appt he gave me n it fit the time..but still said I need a new doc cuz the dea sent out a letter saying that patients have to fill their scripts within 60 miles of his office which would I guess make me pay cash cuz I have Florida Medicaid ..n he still said I have to get a doc over here even know he has a Florida license too..? he never was like this b4 n I didn't even fill refills early or anything..but he said the dea sent out that letter to all the docs and he said that they say now that only 60 pills a month are allowed even if u came to him still n I couldn't get a refil anymore so..he was always nice n all I dunno what happened or if all of this is true..so he at least gave me one script for 120 but didn't wanna at first n he said to let me find a doc he wrote me a separate script for 90 with a refill..so I was searching on the internet or whatever to try n find different docs then the few well known ones here n was branching out to travel further..I didn't finish yet, I got to page 17 n one called me back who is close to me. I never heard of her b4 but she called twice at closing time like 5pm n said how it works there but I told her I'm on subutex not the other of course she mumbled something but she said as long as she knows I'm just switching docs cuz she's closer n all it's just like her continuing my same meds, she said she can not give some big amount though. I said 120, she said way too much. I said well I can get by on at least 90. I been on it for like 20 months..she said the most she can do is 60 a month. I was like I dunno n I said it twice so she said so u cant do that. I was like not really so she was bout to say ok bye n hang up but I said last second I'll let u know n call u back, she said ok..it's cheap too. she said first visit is only 75$ n that's for urine n blood work..n 7 days later if labs are good n all she gives the script n it's 120 a month which is cheap for here so..it's just a pain that they are makin them for the cheaper subutex. i mean their saying all over how this med is saving lives n Obama just put all that money towards opioid replacement meds n he n they called it buprenorphine even not damn suboxone so money is towards methadone clinics but they know they don't work well. people can't get there every early morning n all the crap they need to let docs prescribe methadone privately for addiction replacement cuz now they only write it for pain; can't for addiction...

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You took too much. Sub is very strong. You should start with 2 mg. And it's supposed to be subutex not suboxone if you want to walk in the park while withdrawing. I took it only 12 hours after opiates - not any sign of precipitated withdrawals at all and complete relaxation, even uplifted mood. My personal experience. With suboxone you will have to wait 48 hours before you take it, even if it is 2 mg. It will be enough to feel good if your daily dose is not more than 20 mg of oxycodone. Then think yourself what you want to do - maintenance or quit, I mean completely. If you wanna quit - 4 mg of sub is your max dose ( try to set on 2 mg ) for the first 2 days, then 2 mg max dose next 2 days ( try to be on 1 mg ), then if you still need 1 mg max dose for the next 1-2 days. Took me 4 days to fight a opiate habit of 8 years. I wake up on my 5th day another person. WOW! I could not believe that. And that's it. I mean completely. I didn't feel any bad physically but not mentally. I still had mad cravings. But at least I didn't feel I wanted to die. That is the problem to STAY clean especially after you know there is a magic pill subutex. Sub will work perfectly if you didn't use it before. But if you're planning on more than 5-6 days of sub, get ready to fight another problem. You will withdraw from sub. In fact each time you try this method it'll be more and more useless. You can take clonazepam before going to bed, if you can't sleep, but take it in low doses ~0.5 mg. and not more than 3-4 days. Sub makes it way stronger than it is. There is an interaction between those pills. Now you decide. For me quit means - your are COMPLETELY clean of any drug. Maintenance - you are a legal junky with a certificate. By the way, you will also have to quit it, if you don't want to be on it for the rest of your life. Subutex withdrawal lasts for ~3 weeks, how are you gonna handle it if you can't pass only one week. And now all those guys from maintenance programs are welcome to eat me alive :) But you know what... It is just your weakness. Keep it real and tell the truth to yourself and stop complaining. Just be strong. I know I'm bad for you, but you will talk this way when you are clean. Till then you want to hear everybody agrees with you. I was such a person for 8 years. Your life is in YOUR hands and don't let it be in hands of anybody else. It's yours. Your life. Think about it.

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COOK: Unreal. IMMEDIATELY after you wrote what you did, another one comes along pushing Subutex over Suboxone, as if they are so different. The only reason there is Naloxone in the Subs is so you can't take it intravenously. But who cares....I'm done. People are putting powerful pharmaceuticals into their bodies, and they have NO FRIGGIN CLUE what the drugs do. And then coming on here like world's foremost authorities, making claims that are not even CLOSE to being true. "It's all good if you take Subutex, cuz it's the Suboxone that has the 'blocker', blah blah blah...." BULL! If these *****s don't want to listen, then I guess they can just go through precipitated withdrawals. Screw em.

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You must have had something else in your system because I am also on Subutex and take Percocet for pain and it never went into withdrawal

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Hi Tasha. My question is while on both you did not go through withdraw? I'm trying to avoid down time being "sick". I am currently taking opiates but want to start back on my subutex when I'm down to my last couple doses. So I would be on both at the same time. WILL I get sick?

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