Taking Subutex And Percocet Together (Page 14)
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My doctor just put me on subutex along with percocet. I've been on percocet for yrs for severe and chronic migraines. He told me to take the subutex and if it doesn't work to take a percocet. I usually take 15 mg percocet at a time. I've read some stuff online that worries me. Some people say if you take percs with subutex you'll go into withdrawals. I went through severe withdrawals with fioricet months ago and I don't want to go through that hell again. I took my first subutex about an hour ago and I still have a migraine so I want to take a perc now. Can I do that or will I get sick?

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Sorry your doctor is an i****. To take percocet and then suboxone is like wiping your ass before you s***, please excuse my language but damn that's the craziest thing I've heard out of all the posts. But anyways I wanted to let you know that it's come down to federal government regulations on pain medication due to the havoc it has wreaked in our country. So since doctors can only fill so many scripts of pain medication per month/year that they stay loyal to the patients who have been with them the longest and the rest of us get s*** on bc if they can't keep making a fortune on pain medication then they to devise another legal medication suboxone, subutex, zubsolv, etc....to make money so we have to deal with doctors just doing what they can to keep their job. So rather than educate the patient to what they're actually taking. Most doctors don't have the time (or at least they say they don't which we all know they do) to get to know their patients bc in my opinion most just simply don't care, they see it day in day out so they've become programmers. Your doctor just wanted to try and see if the suboxone would slow your cravings for percocet bc he can't prescribe you as much anymore once again due to regulations so sounds like he just wants to keep your business but doesn't give a s*** what you went through which is what he told you to do, that makes me furious. What a s*** bag, sorry you had to go through that. If you want off the percocet then wait until you start to have withdrawals and then take it accordingly. With too much you could get sick but on the right dosage you will be fine. Also remember if you are taking suboxone and then take your percocet it won't work. It will be a waste and damage to your liver for no reason. Hope that was helpful and hope you feel better. Good luck!! Oh and please find a different doctor.

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KIKI: I am neither "mad" nor "confused". But you are wrong. You think that Subutex has no "opiate blocker" in it? The Naloxone being the "blocker"? Buprenorphine ITSELF is also an opiate blocker. It is a partial agonist-partial antagonist opioid. The "antagonist" part is the "blocker". So the DRUG ITSELF is a "blocker", so to speak. Once more, Subutex and Naloxone are BOTH "opioid antagonists". As opposed to "full-agonist opioids", which is what Oxys, Vicodin and all the other opioids we take to relieve pain are. These are facts. It isn't about "disagreeing" with you, you are simply mistaken.

So no, I am not "confused". I am a medical researcher, and I work with the leading Addiction Specialists in my area. I am fully aware of the differences between the two. I took Suboxone for about a week when I first started on Bupe. I couldn't tolerate the Naloxone and was immediately switched to Subutex. So besides that first week, I have NEVER been on Suboxone, only Subutex. These are facts. I really wish people would do more research before declaring things "impossible", before declaring things to be "facts". I was never on a dose lower than 24 mgs of Subutex for almost 6 years (doses between 24 and 32 mgs, which is the ceiling dose) and I also used very long acting opioids at the time. I was thrown into hardcore precipitated withdrawals from taking about 20 mgs of SUBUTEX, not SUBOXONE too soon after dosing that long acting opioid. SUBUTEX ITSELF can throw you into precipitated withdrawal because SUBUTEX ITSELF is a partial antagonist opioid.

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Kkh.. I'm just saying you must be confused.. maybe you were taking suboxone instead of subutex. I have been on high doses of both subutex and suboxone for years and have never experienced withdrawal from the subutex.. jeez don't get mad because someone disagrees with you.

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MOLLY APPLECAKES: People don't realize that Buprenorphine is a partial agonist/partial antagonist opioid. It is the ANTAGONIST part that sends you into withdrawal. Naloxone is also an opioid antagonist. They think as long as there is no Naloxone in the Subs, they are ok. NOPE. Bupe ITSELF will throw you into withdrawals. Now as you said, you could probably do 2, 4, even 8 mgs of Subutex and be ok. (there are obviously a lot of variables there) but any more than that, and you are gambling. I PERSONALLY went through hardcore Precipitated Withdrawals from taking 20mgs of Subutex too soon after opiates. Yet I am being told by people like KIKI that what I went through "just isn't possible".....um....yeah. So many people on here who have no idea what they are talking about, posting things as if they are the World's Foremost Authority. Every time I read another "authority" talking about how it "isn't possible" for Subutex to send someone into withdrawals, and I remember what I went through, I can only shake my head.

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Today I took 8mg of subutex after getting administered dilaudid and morphine in the hospital and having percs at home and I am not having withdrawals at all.

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Your receptors can't physically hold more than 24 mg of Buprenorphine at a time so you are wasting your meds if you are taking more than three 8mg a day. Just thought I should let you know.

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Oxymorphone is also called Opana and they are very hard to get. Doctors don't like prescribing them because they are extremely strong and abused. The effects are also very short acting. Buprenorphine isn't strong in a way that makes you feel high.

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You can't go into withdrawals from taking opiates with subutex. It just isn't possible, these people must be confused. You will get sick from suboxone if you take opiates with it, not subutex..Because suboxone has naloxone in it which pushes all of the opiates out of your brain receptors and subutex doesn't.

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Yes, this is correct. When I was severely abusing Roxicodone, I chose to go to rehab. They kicked me out of one rehab (due to an insurance glitch), and sent me to a detox hospital in the hood. I saw a pediatrician- I had to pay him $500 in cash because he was out of network. They had no doctors. They were completely unaware (on an addictions/detox unit), of precipitated withdrawal. I was pursing my lips, refusing to take 24 mg of Subutex pills. They forced me, and I went into the worst withdrawal I had ever been in before. (I had taken strips many times after running out of Roxicodone, & always waited the 24-72 hours). However, people abuse Subutex pills more than strips. And I do think that the Naloxone blocker is stronger. When I used to take strips, I had to wait longer for opiates to work once I got them. With the Subutex pills, opiates worked much faster afterwards. But yes, BOTH send you into rapid withdrawal...

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DEEK: I've not only lived it (30+ year opioid addict as well as med student/researcher), I've researched it and have had my fellow addiction specialists laugh at it. As for the rest of your response, maybe you could re-write it and actually make it coherent this time, because I have no idea what any of that means. As far as your previous post, I sincerely hope no one on here takes your bad advice.

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Also wanted to say I just had a nerve block Thursday so I feel worse than normal. AND I wish I didn't have to take meds because I know I'm using recreationally as well ad medically at this point. None of that matters, just nice being able to post to people who understand.

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I've been reading all these posts and don't quite understand everything. I am prescribed 30 mg oxy 3 x day. I have addiction issues basically cause I've been on these meds for 7 years. Because I tend to take too many, my bf took my script when he went out of town and only left my prescribed dose. Well of course I ran out, but I have an 8 mg bupe. If I take a tiny piece of it will I get deathly I'll?

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I never said it wasn't a blocked it's self and I have done what u said to-do plenty tines every reacts different. Back to simple science do one or the other. And u get sick take more and watch the withdrawal go away fast. I've lived it pal

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DEEK: You can't "promise" anything, because you are just wrong. The BUPRENORPHINE ITSELF is an "opiate block", to you everyone's over-simplified terminology. Go ahead, I dare ya....do some really good, strong opioids, wait about an hour, maybe two, then take about 16 mgs of Subutex and then get back to me. Yet another person who thinks the Naloxone is the only thing that can send you into precips. The DRUG ITSELF is a partial antagonist, which is why it sends you into precips. Your "simple science" is so flawed, it's laughable.

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That's not entirely true and that's how I've lost a few friends. When they relapsed they tried to take their usual dose which was entirely too much.

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Lol everyine has a different effect to this I know injecting either the tex or box iv will bypass the narcan and subutex has no nolaxone in it so I promise you didnt get sick from mixing it with opiates your gonna be really high especially mixed with a benzo I know from everyday experience. So alot people here are plum foolish if u got sick when you did have it mixed if u take more of the stripes the subonoxe will out do the other basically if u get dope sick from taking it. Take more cause your body has to be treated for the amount that witch you would abise simple science here

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This shouldn't happen. Subutex or Suboxone strips only send you into precipitated, rapid withdrawal if it's the other way around. Such as if someone has been taking a lot of opiates, & than takes a Suboxone strip or Subutex pill before 24-72 hours have passed. The Subs kick the opiates out of the opiate receptor sites, and send the person into very severe, precipitated withdrawal. If on Subutex pills, (which doesn't have the full Naloxone blocker like the strips), or even if taking the Suboxone strips, the only thing that will happen if you take real opiates is that the real opiates prob won't work. This is worse for the Suboxone strips, because they have the full-blown Naloxone opiate blocker in them (like Narcan, which is what they give to opiate overdosers in the hospital). It stops the person from respiratory death, but also causes severe withdrawal if the person is conscious. Even though the Subutex pills don't have the same Naloxone opiate blocker in them, they still do block opiates from working. Just not as bad. If you can tolerate not taking the subs or Subutex for at least 24-48 hours, opiates should work. (Unless your tolerance is so high from things like Roxicodone, Opana, Dilaudid, etc...then opiates like basic Percs may not work at all, despite how long you have been off of subs). When I got on Roxicodone, Lortab and Percocet no longer worked for me. Dunno about now, I haven't taken Roxie in 3 1/2 years. I have only been on the Subutex pills since then, and have not yet attempted to take a regular opiate. But yes, it is the other way around. If you are taking opiates, and you do not wait the 24 to 72 hours before taking any kind of sub, that is when you will go into severe withdrawal. I wonder if Lortab and Percocet will ever work for me again. There is a phenomenon where someone could be 25 years clean, and the day they relapse, from any drug or alcohol…they go right back to how much they were using the day they stopped. They don't work their way up again; the brain remembers. An alcoholic could be sober 30 years, & the day he/she relapses, he will drink 40 bested, or whatever he was drinking 30 years prior. If I were to start Roxie again (NEVER), I would go right back to what I was taking before.

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Why would up even post that on this forum? Smh...u do realize this is a drug forum and not one about painting or hobbies...

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WHITE TEAKY: Wow, it really is amazing to me how many doctors out there seem to completely clueless. He/she is giving you opioids, and then at the same time, giving you medication to BLOCK the opioids. Does that make sense to you? That percocet is not going to do a friggin thing with an opioid blocker like Buprenorphine (the main active ingredient in Suboxone) in your system. It's no wonder you feel like crap. I would be completely shocked if you DIDN'T feel like crap. You need to be taking one or the other, because as you probably now realize, it is completely counterproductive to take both. I don't usually tell people on here what to do in their personal lives, but I would run from that incompetent quack and get a different doctor ASAP. That doctor obviously doesn't know how to prescribe Suboxone. Un flippin real.

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I'm been on percets for year, taking six a day. The doctor will not give me more cause he feels I'm becoming addicted so he decided to give me 2mg of suboxone with my percocets. So I take my suboxone first then an hour later take my perc. Well I be at work spinning guts ripping apart feeling like s***ting my pants. Well I'm feeling like hurling. Fun part is the percocets are cheaper and they work with my system but I really believe it's all a money game, The doctors said after two weeks we will take u off the suboxone but we can't increase your perc cause you will become addicted. That's funny, I've been on it for two years. Hell, no way I could be hooked, but ya cheapest pill ever. 42 perc costs 17 dollars and 4 2mg suboxone costs 20. Why the ***k is the narcotic cheaper than the fix to get off the ***ing white devil? I told doc I want a surgery on my back and pretty much said when you start s***ting your pants and pissing yourself then we will do a surgery. It's a ***ed up world.

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