Subutex 460 Vs 54 411 (Page 8) (Top voted first)

Does the Buprenorphine 8mg 460 work as well as 54 411's? I'm curious as I've seen other imprints, just not 460. Please let me know if they are better or worse.

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Re: Trying SOS to SOS help others (# 14)

A year + later CVS still fills the Sun Pharma 460s. so it looks like all the calls made no difference.

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Re: David (# 2)

Wow. Thank u so much for this info. Ive been wondering what inactive ingredients were in these 460s as, personally, they are making me very ill. It's strange how the almost exact ingredients in the 54 411s are life changing in a good way, yet, in a different order and slight difference in amount or what have ya and it just completely wipes me out the first day I swapped to them. Wow. I really appreciate the info. Thanks again.

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Re: Mary Lou (# 114)

Go to btodrems.com. you will find all 7 generics listed, and yes, they all have different amounts of bup in them. The actavis and sin only have 8mg, the Maryland has 8.624. And the others have 8.64 all equivalent to 8mg.. The new Rhodes manufactured by Purdue is out of this world. It compares with the brand name of subutex way back when I started in 2007... They are a must try.

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KristenGfromGa (# 124) --

My CVS in California north isn't as abrupt and have tried 3 times and I still got Sun garbage. Going back to Walgreens and pay more for orange Actavis Brand I hear are pretty good. CVS doesn't much care either way.

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Re: KristenGfromGa (# 126)

I just spent 20 minutes with CVS customer service. I'm a pretty patient and tolerant person. And found myself frustrated with them. So she says to me," what would you like me to do?", So I told her I'm trying to prevent others from the same like experience. I eventually said you lost my cash and you will lose others doing this to people and said thank you and hung up. I have good friends at Walgreens and they have the Actavis orange footballs 153 on them. Never heard anything bad about those. A few more $ but beats going through this battle again.

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Re: Davidjw1 (# 129)

Good for u...if we all take a few minutes and speak up...maybe it will make a difference..eventually...or wishful thinking?

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The hikma buprenorphine 54 411s are way better. No comparison. If you want something better than the 54 411 try the new Rhodes manufactured version generic bup.. they are out of this world. Definitely compared to the original brand name subutex when I first started in 2005...they came out in October 2017, chances are the big Pharmacy's will not carry it so go to a mom n pop pharmacy and ask them to order them. All the generics of bup can be found on BTODREMS. Everything one would want to know can be found on that page..also, not all the generics have the same amount of buprenorphine in them; only 2 only have 8mg. Most of the rest have 8.64 equivalent to 8mgs..actavis orange half moon and sun only have 8mg. I believe Mylan has just a tad more 8.624 equivalent to 8mgs, so give Rhodes a try. You will not be disappointed..follow the money and get the best, Rhodes.

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Re: Lyn29 (# 137)

Are you talking about the 460s burning? I never tried that one in my 12 years of buprenorphine treatment. Can you tell me around what state you're in and what type of pharmacy has them? Someone on another site like this says it's the only one that she can take without it interfering with her health issues..I'd like to help her if I can. I noticed that the chain Pharmacy's in my area like Walgreens I have several around here and everyone seems to have the same brand. I finally got a mom n pop pharmacy to order the new Rhodes buprenorphine 8mg..and they are very smooth no w/d at all changing brands. My favorite is hikma but it's a hard choice to make now that they have 2 bumps so compared humm which one hikma or new Rhodes?

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Sun pharma 460 is horrible horrible horrible. I take the Westward 54 411 and out of the 6 different genetuc subutex I have taken. These are the best for me. Those 460 caused me depresdion, nausea, shakiness, burning under my tongue, outbursts and they do not last very long. They for me weee a nightmare!

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Re: SteveC (# 8)

Exactly. ..it made me have terrible withdrawals after a few days too plus kidney and back pain....I've never felt so bad, my goodness! I threw them out (like 80 pills) and paid cash for different ones til my next script....IT NEVER EVEN OCCURRED TO ME TO THROW MEDS AWAY BEFORE THEN....LOL

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Re: davidjw1 (# 141)

Hi david. I'm glad the Rhodes are still working out for u..me too. Your right, what a blessing these came out. They definitely were hard to find and get a hold of because they are great for me, no more in and out of withdrawals like I was before and then I'd say well I will only take one more and a day or two say the same thing. I was coming up short at the end of the month and I'd think damn why did I do that? It got to the point I'd have my husband hold them and leave my dose out before he went to work and I would have no chance of that happening because he does not cave in. He does not like to see me suffer at the end of the month...he has never been an addict and doesn't drink, only takes melatonin once in a while. But being married to me for over 30 yrs. He knows and understands addiction very well..I have been lucky that way. Any other man probably would have left me long ago..but yahooo for the new Rhodes generic is all I can say.

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54 411's are the only decent, CONSISTENTLY reliable subutex tablet out there, (can't vouch for outside the US) but I would buy XANAX brand where available outside the country. Occasionally (make that more than occasionally) the farmacia clerks will sell them to you w/o a script if you use a little ingenuity. So if that can happen in Italia, it can happen in any eastern or any country in southeastern europe no prob.

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I have been on Suboxone or subutex on and off for the past 9 years. The past 1 or so I’ve been taking the 460’s from cvs. Today I sent my husband there and he comes back with the 411’s. I don’t know why or how but I am soooooo glad. 460’s give me the worst headache and I have zero energy. So glad these are back. Good luck everyone

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Re: KristenGfromGa (# 133)

You can "buy whatever you want in Canada OTC?" Since when? Sounds like one of my drug-induced happy dreams...

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Re: Bedtime for Benzo (# 145)

And I'm right behind u...lol let's see how fast we can run...better yet we can move to Canada and be roomies lol..in my dreams too.

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Re: Bedtime for Benzo (# 143)

Why don't u try the new Rhodes generic? It really is the best..well to me anyways. I just to think ( when will they come out with something better, ) thank god..finally

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Re: Bedtime for Benzo (# 143)

There is a new xanax that just came out, blue speckled imprint b 707..they look just like the brand name shape..

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Re: MirWat (# 144)

You got very lucky. The Sun 460 for me were the worst. The Westward Hikma brand 411 was the best for me until I got the new Rhodes. You can request your CVS to order and fill only the Westward Hikma 411. I did until they snuck in those awful Sun Pharma 460 from India. Call around next time before you fill it until you find a CVS that has it. Many of us reported CVS and Sun Pharma to the FDA. There's also a class action lawsuit out there too. Against them. Good luck. I suggest finding an independent Pharmacy as they can take better care of your bupe needs. I had to. The chains could care less about us. It's all about the mighty dollar. Here's an example. I am a vendor and all the chain Pharmacies out there I service. I have one that is a CVS that averages $800,000 a month in prescription sales, in a community of 30,000 with 6 more CVS in town. Not counting Walgreens, Rite Aid and the independents. Think about it. One patient more or less is nothing to them.

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Re: Bedtime for Benzo (# 145)

The most potent (opioid) you can get OTC in Canada is Tylenol w/Codeine (Referred to as Tylenol #1). It contains 8 mg of codeine + Tylenol. So if you really, really want to get well, eat about 12 of them, make out your will, and say adieu to your stomach lining!

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Re: Charlene (# 147)

Believe me Charlene, I tried over & over for a script for 45 tabs. My insurance (medicare + United Healthcare) is really cheap (as in stingy): they want over $350 per month. So, I'm just fine with the Hikmas. Pharmaca will be glad to order them for you if you're in that income bracket or have insurance that costs a fortune!

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