Subutex 460 Vs 54 411 (Page 5) (Top voted first)

Does the Buprenorphine 8mg 460 work as well as 54 411's? I'm curious as I've seen other imprints, just not 460. Please let me know if they are better or worse.

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Guys I hate to be “that guy” but it’s all in your guys heads... I used to be the same way, as I’ve been on bupe for about 10 years and I used to panic when I couldn’t find my favorite brand subutex or suboxone... I found that the panic and the constant thoughts about it not working as well is what causes the non fav brand to not work as well... the human brain is a powerful thing!!! If you tell yourself something isn’t going to work as well then it’s not goIng to! I really find the less I stress about it the better the 460s work for me... I’m not sure about the tongue burning and ulcers tho as I only take 2mg internasoly per day.. however if you really don’t like these pills, tell your doctor the problem you’re having and have him switch you over to Suboxone... either the Strips or the Tablets... I guarantee it’ll solve your problems completely!!! Good luck!!!

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Re: Rawdog (# 111)

I'm in southwest Florida and we have a grocery store/pharmacy called winn Dixie. They have the 54 411 there... The company was roxanne/westward. but now its called hikma. If your not sure who has them you can call the company and they will tell you what pharmacies have them..there is also a site called btodrems where you can find all the 7 manufactured companies along with the dose and active ingredient. I just found out that Mylan is 8.624, actavis is 8mg, hi tech 8.64, hikma 8.64, Rhodes 8.64, sun 8mg and teva is 8.64 all say equivalent to 8mgs. I don't know what that's all about but does that mean some are stronger?

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Ho everyone you should try the new Rhodes. If you can't get them go to a mom n pop pharmacy ask them to order them. You will be surprised at the difference from all the generics out there. They compare to the original subutex name brand. I'm q huge fan the the hikma 54 411. Also. But if I have to choose from now on its most definitely the new Rhodes sibs. Thx

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They are terrible! Run! Do not get them filled. I urge you to do your own research but from what I've found, although they ARE approved by our FDA they are made in and shipped from Sun Pharmaceuticals in like India or something and they are making everybody sick. There's no ingredient list so we don't know what it's cut with and to me..there seems to be different amounts of bupe in them or something...some days I take my meds and I only withdrawal..sometimes I get violently ill..it's not my dose, etc...it's these freaking shifty pills. I trashed them and called my doc who rewrote my script for the remainder of the months worth and I went and paid cash at a little mom and pop local pharmacy for the good small round ones with the 8 and the arrow...it's taken me 2 weeks but I feel ok again now. Buyer beware on the 460s. I called cvs where I had them filled and the pharmacy told me everybody was complaining but they were under contract bc they were so much cheaper than the other makes so they were stuck with them. Said that unless we all complained to FDA and got them off the approved list that we all were f****ed. So.....

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Re: KristenGfromGa (# 121)

Hi Kristen, you are correct about there must be different amounts of bup. In all the 7 generics. The actavis has 8mg,.. the hi tech has 8.64 equivalent to 8mgs. The hikma is 8.64, the sun has 8mg, the teva has 8.64 and Mylan is 8.624...the new Rhodes manufactured by Purdue has 8.64 equivalent to 8mgs.. So you see they all have different amounts of bup...equivalent to 8mgs... BTW, the NDC # for the new Rhodes is 42858-502-03 ... They are absolutely great..t he best generic out there compared to the original brand name of Subutex which I started on. And I also love hikma 54 411's. It's a toss up between them both for me... I will get only these 2 when I get my scripts.. you can check btodrems.com, it will bring you to the page of all the generics and anything else you might be looking for such as ingredients, etc...

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Davidjw1 (# 125) --

Yea my cvs in St marys, ga told me that she'd tried to order westwards but they keep sending sun 460s instead..then explained the cost difference and the contractual obligation they were under to keep supplying the 460s. I guess it's nationwide...I kno it's the same in like a 60 mile radius around my home. I called them all ...I was pissed and had a free day to complain. Lol. The ones that would give me any info seemed unapologetic and kinda like I was drug seeking or something..so I took the time to explain to each how even if I was taking it for addiction that would be a positive personal choice and should be respected but that I was taking it bc it was a substitute for pain meds. It's not only prescribed for drug addiction..it's also used for treatment of pain...TO PREVENT DRUG ADDICTION! ! Not saying it's not addictive in itself..but there's still no right to look down on anybody for trying to improve their time on this Earth. Rant over...anyway, yea cvs sux dikk. You're just a number. They don't give a shirt if u feel better or not...herd em on thru...get the cash. I use medicine cabinet now. They're smaller. They care. They order what my doc writes and the kind I want...what works for me. Good luck guys. Keep on trying. Let's all complain to the fda. Anybody know how to start a petition? Lol...let's get this crap out of our stores and out of our bodies if it makes us sick! But I have seen some ppl who say it works for them...so...I dunno...placbo effect maybe? Lol...jk. u guys have good day :)

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Re: NC (# 28)

Please call CVS 1-336-667-0900 and complain. 6 of us have so far...

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Re: Danielle 22 (# 130)

I did call to complain this afternoon to a different number, though.

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Re: KristenGfromGa (# 126)

Has anyone tried Walmart? I live in Atlanta Georgia and I the Walmart I know of that's all they stock. They go by the NDC # and the 54/411 Hyman? Is all they have. Guess I just got lucky. They don't take the RX coupons anymore. And Target bought CVS so... anyway. Good luck. This entire opioid crisis is BS. So many folks getting on h cause they can't get a damn lortab.

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Re: Roxanne 56 (# 132)

Exactly! In Canada where you can walk in a pharmacy and buy what u need otc...there isn't an opioid crisis or as many ODs from h. By taking away what helps ppl, they make us turn to other substances to try and get relief. Not all of us are addicts seeking a buzz. Some of us were thrown out of cars or burned in house fires...I've been both....we hurt. We need help. But we are not going to get it.

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I'm on it. I'm calling cvs to complain. This is the link to find your state's complaint coordinator for the FDA as well:

fda.gov/Safety/ReportaProblem/ConsumerComplaintCoordinators/default.htm

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Re: Dani (# 3)

I'm also having this problem! I wanted to spit it out because it was burning my mouth so badly!!!

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Re: Charlene (# 138)

Well, got Rhodes Pharma bupes again today. So happy to have found a pharmacy like this one I now use. What a blessing. Really hope others can get a pharmacy to order it for them. My pharmacy is a compounding pharmacy and they use Cardinal Health to get my Rhodes tablets. There is a shortage now with the chain pharmacies for the Westward/Hikma and Mylan is almost impossible to get, too. So, now many are using the Sun and Hitech brand buprenorphine out here in the northern part of California. Pharmaca is a small chain that was getting Westward 54 411 for me until I found this pharmacy I now use. Good luck everyone. I know this is like apples and oranges but I guarantee you I do not do all the stupid crap I used to when chasing opiates down daily. My job, partner, friends, family and temple will all attest that this medication not only saved me from me but my life and everything that goes with it. Some day I will stop. But until then I am free and somewhat normal and definitely happy because of this medication.

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Re: AwwCharlene (# 148)

Why are you talking about xanax in an addiction recovery forum???

We don't take subs to feel high... we take them to get our lives back....

I don't know you but until you GET REAL HELP AND COUNSELING YOU ARE DOOMED!!!

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Re: Bedtime for Benzo (# 153)

Now see I'm in Florida, I have the same insurance as u I think they pay for any of the buprenorphine generic. Mine is $45 a month no matter how many, but they will only pay for 90 pills a month. Only one time did I go to a pharmacy to pick up the hikma 54 411 and they were q crazy price..I told them put it back and went to a different pharmacy got the same thing for $45.. I asked someone about it they said it's illegal to do when someone has insurance but not much u can do about it..it was a big chain Pharmacy' so I just never went back

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Re: Bedtime for Benzo (# 157)

I don't think we have a pharmaca..by me anyway. I have never seen one. So I googled it to check it out. So I'm guessing NO. On youtube it says it's a pharmacy/cosmetics and more, natural products. I don't know what other kinds of pharmacies are out in California. I have family there too..oh btw I was on a different rxchat.com discussion thread and a friend just told me yesterday he is in California too. His doctor got him signed up with a new government plan to help people with buprenorphine treatment plus pay for doctor visits. I was told u need to make under $40,000 to qualify. But he said there is always something negative that can happen. Now it will also pay for the medicine too, BUT supposedly only for suboxone, not subutex. So he decided to use the doctor part but wants subutex, so he will continue to pay cash for that part using the discount card. I think around 90 or 120 pills runs for under $300.

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Re: Davidjw1 (# 164)

David are u replying about the government grant I'm talking about? I could never be accepted because my husband makes to much money..but I heard the grant will cover doctor visits plus medacine but the key is it supposedly only covers suboxone and not subutex?

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I Do NOT suggest anyone accept the 460's. If you have an option choose 54 411. The 460's have had little therapeutic effect as if they were fake.

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Re: Cleigh83 (# 6)

I’m in New England as well and am having a hard time getting the 54 411.

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Re: Kelly (# 181)

My usual pharmacy tried telling me the same thing, but I just switched! You can call around to different pharmacies and ask what manufacturer they use. I did & even mentioned some of the side effects I read in here & the pharmacist told me to report the drug (the comment above this tells you how) but now I get the Rhodes brand RPs & they are muchhhhh better.

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