Subutex 460 Vs 54 411 (Page 10)
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Does the Buprenorphine 8mg 460 work as well as 54 411's? I'm curious as I've seen other imprints, just not 460. Please let me know if they are better or worse.

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The burn is awful, call your insurance company and Dr, let them know. The pharmacy should be able to order a new script with an insurance override cuz of side effects.

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Who knows but it's scary. I have actual blisters under my tongue from them and I have never had any problems with the 54 411 pill. How long can this go on? We are fragile people in recovery and this is making me think crazy things like we are getting placebos or something

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If they gave you the 460 buprenorphine I suggest you have your prescription bottle handy and call CVS Help Desk. If enough of us call they can't ignore it.

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Your very welcome. I encourage also that we STOP BUYING THE WORTHLESS 460 SUBS FROM CVS. Maybe, just maybe, if we collectively stop buying them Wentworth/Sun. will begin to notice. Stocks will drop. "We need a sub revolution..'Its very serious I know. I've tried all the subs being on them this long. Now they are equivalent to Actavis; wear off / weak. Hi Tech being the worst. It's at the point I'm ready to say f it and get on the suboxone strips. I posted all their info. I filed complaints against them. CVS has no control, they give us what their warehouse sends. So I am so weary from all this. I'm sick. I'm so concerned about all the rest of us out there suffering. God forbid relapsing. Anyway God bless us all.

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Yes they burn ur mouth very bad n taste worse my first few days on them I got nauseous and very tired after switching from roaxann brand to the 460 kind and after a week or so all that went away except for the burning ..Wonder what causes the burn sensation??

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Are the orange buprenorphines okay? Walgreens carries them

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Please don't get the 460 buprenorphine. They're are making thousands sick and I highly advise you don't go to CVS because they're the ones carrying them. I advise anyone who has had this brand prescribed to call the CVS Helpline and report any adverse side effects.

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No walgreens switched to orange ones they don't have the little white ones anymore either

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Cleigh83- where in New England are you I'm also in New England and I've had illergic reactions to the other subutex except 54-411 I asked cvs to order them they keep claiming there on back order and can't. Just wondering which rite aid you went to because the ones where I live are a joke and just don't give a crap

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There is no subutex by mylan labeled 54/11.That was the Roxane brand. I say WAS. NOW WE ARE ALL SUFFERING.i hate mylan.almost as bad as hitech

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Thank you for that very informative and helpful reply. God Bless

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Just went to CVS and noticed the different brand. Just took a half and have to see if it works the same..I loved the 54 411 never had a problem. Don't go to walgreens the small ones DO NOT WORK....I am going to call CVS and complain.

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You are not crazy! It does my wife and I the same way! These pills seem like fakes to me

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It's Westward brand that makes the 54 411 bup. I think we all need to call CVS and complain before we all RELAPSE

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One pharmacist said they weren't sure why they hadn't been able to get a supply but he'd doubt they'd stop manufacturing them because, another said these 460 were the replacement for 54 411, and two people even told me crazy stories like that some type of vehicle/vessel/train or whatever, was transporting the meds and had an accident and that was the reason, another saying they were on back-order until 7/17. But then I attempted to contact the Lab myself, to find out the real story. I found an article on the internet. Another company, just closed on a 2.1 billion dollar buy of Roxane Laboratories (manufacturer of the 54 411 imprinted tablet buprenorphine) and that is the reason. I believe we are now being supplied with this new company's brand of buprenorphine from this point forward. Unfortunate, as most of us know, the Roxane tablets were much more effective with less side effects compared to other generics but this of course will not affect the other brands if you prefer one of those (Mylan, maker of M924 imprinted tablet; Hi-Tech, maker of small, round, arrow imprinted tablet, Teva, Akorn, etc.... Now the funny thing is, I keep seeing reviews stating that their new medicine (460) has a "minty, Suboxone-y taste" and that is not the case for mine. Also, one review in which the reviewer mentioned that taste, stated the name of the manufacturer, which is different than the manufacturer on the new white, round, 460 imprinted tablets I got. Because mine are DEFINITELY not minty. They do have an intense, and I mean intense, burning sensation while dissolving under the tongue. Incredibly more intense than any other. And that's only with a half dissolving at a time! I have been dealing with muscle cramps in my legs, and other symptoms due to them being MUCH less effective. My guess is, we won't be seeing the 54 411 tablets anymore period, whether you call and complain or not. They should do away with these ones however, and I do think complaints will result in that. But even then, I imagine the pharmacies carrying this medication will just supply another generic, one of the ones I listed above, and likely not be able to get the Roxanes back ever again. Anyway, hope this information helps someone. I know I myself was frantically searching for answers, just hate being in the dark with my recovery when it comes to changes, as I'm sure others would agree.

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Tim I too have compared ingredients. While I agree they are made of the same components for the most part, how much of each is where the difference is causing problems

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I am in the same boat and the only seemingly valid answer I'm getting is try to find a mom and pops pharmacy in your area, but be aware that asking for a particular med from a particular manufacturer may not be the only issue that arises. Im being told that they may refuse any insurance you may have forcing you to pay cash for your entire script as well as overcharge you sighting increased expenses ordering for you as their justification. Seems like this is gonna turn into price gouging to me. I've gotten nowhere with CVS. They are only about the all mighty dollar as well.

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Elly I hear you 100% The 460's SUCK!!! I don't know what's in it but it doesn't feel anything like the 54411 pills I've been taking for about 7 years now. I've been seeing the same Dr. the whole time and this was the first time I couldn't get the 54411. I live in NH. I don't even know what to do. I haven't used in 12 years and this is the first time I've been worried about going back, which I DONT want in any way at all, but that's how crappy those 460 are to me. I go to CVS. Does anyone know if other pharmacies still carry the 54 412???

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Had my Cvs call around to find the 54 411's, NOTHING! I also called that customer relations number a nice person posted. Corporate called my Cvs and was more concerned about it being a cvs matter didn't care about the symptoms I spoke of. Burning mouth, upset stomach, headache, none of which I've had on the Roxanne/Westward brand. They said they'd call me back tomorrow which they didn't but all they were going to do was locate a cvs which had the 54'411's. I'm so upset about this, I had No choice but to get the 460's this month again over $200 because that's where my refill was & I already spent 3 days looking for the 411's & was out of meds. The 460's SUCK! Don't last as long feel like I have to take more & have cravings which I haven't had in 10 years. CVS get the Roxane/Westward back! Next refill after doctor appt I'm shopping pharmacies, whoever can get the 411's thats where All my scripts & business is going. It's bull they can't get it, it's all about $ 460's are cheaper for them but we pay same for a crappy product. Anyone have other suggestions or input. I'm in New Jersey (oh yea they give you that look here too when you say the medication name). Judgement needs to stop, we have enough to deal with. Thanks guys.

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I spent over 2 hours researching National drug code. I also compared the 54-411 and M.924 and The, 460 .also pharmaceutical company who made each one. There all the same component . Joe if u came across a 460 ,with Watson on blank side there fake and easy to see if anything has been scrapped off.

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