Opioids & U.s. Senate (Page 2)
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U.S. Senate has succumbed/conspired with health providers to practically eliminate severe or chronic pain med for the elderly. Some 16,800 deaths of young drug mixing punks & the cost of providing these meds; has caused the low level intelligence & greedy health providers to furiously lobby (bribe) the U. S. Senate to order a 40% decrease in severe/chronic meds for the elderly; not for young drug mixing "punks" because they will mix something else. It has been shown that the Senate members have been drunk or half drunk in decisions like this. Proof of the aforesaid? here it is: the Senate ignores 1.6 millions of deaths & or severe mutilations due to alcohol. Senators have never done heavy strenuous work that by the time you are 65/70 years old, everything hurts to a more or lesser degree. If the elderly & or severely injured/impaled were allowed to obtain these meds, even at a higher cost, they would be able to live somewhat normal lives & still be productive members of society. Solution: health providers should increase the charge to patients to cover costs and anyone under 60 years of age should be scrutinized thoroughly & no one should be allowed to take more than 3 or 4 10 MG per day. I have been taking 2 a day for 16 years & consider myself an expert on the subject. Anything more than 4 10 MG a day, would categorize you as an addict, according to all expert doctors on the subject.

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Re: Take Rae (# 16)

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Curious80 (# 17) --

I think the disconnect here is reading something into my post that I never said. YES, I said 40 mgs but I did not specify in my post whether that was a 40 mg pill or 4 10mg pills. Besides, I could not care less what another person has been prescribed. Their Doctor has their records and they know what to write. Pain medication is tailored to the individual and it is not up to anyone that does not know the circumstances to question what and how often they take a medication.

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JMJ (# 10) & w john (# 9) --

Sorry for all the confusion I created, I'm new to the site. I'm also a slow at typing [shoulder issue] & had several interruptions before I could complete my comment and post, so I guess my comment was placed out of order as others got their message posted before me. I'm just now seeing the confusion I created. After my post yesterday I went to a hospital to be with a life-long friend, where his 90 yr old mother had been battling for 24 days to come back from a major stroke, her battle came to an end yesterday, God bless her. MY POST was meant to be a reply to the "conversation starter Randy, the self-proclaimed EXPERT on the subject" and here I copied & pasted the last portion of his comment or his solution! ***Solution: health providers should increase the charge to patients to cover costs and anyone under 60 years of age should be scrutinized thoroughly & no one should be allowed to take more than 3 or 4 10MG per day. I have been taking 2 a day for 16 years & consider myself an expert on the subject. Anything more than 4 10MG a day, would categorize you as an addict, according to all expert doctors on the subject.*** Again sorry for the confusion, John. PS: I noticed typos today in my comment also: "You can't put everyone in one group and 'expert' {typo, meant EXPECT} the same outcome/benefit of pain relief."

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Whatever you do people don't let them put you on neurontin aka gabapentin. It is he'll trying to stop when you decide to. It works on your nerve ending and is just as addictive as opiates and takes much longer to get over the withdrawals. I'm trying to stop. I take 600mgs 3 times a day. It steals your short term memory and makes me have no desire to do anything. I have no social life. I don't even feel like grocery shopping or even cleaning the house. Drs. are really pushing this drug now that there is a war on opiates. I skipped my afternoon dose yesterday and even though I have seroquel for sleep (another addictive and potent drug) I kept waking up and my face felt like it was on fire. They will tell you it's not addictive but there is a gabapentin forum on here and groups of people trying to quit. Check them out before you go to the Doctor.

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Re: Claude (# 14)

Claude, not to worry, I was just a bit bewildered over one guy saying I'm calling people addicts if they use over 40mg a day, and then somehow implying something offensive to young pain patients. Not above saying something stupid from time to time, that's for sure, but rereading my own post, I just wasn't seeing it.

Glad we're square now. And yep, we need to be advocates and not detractors. Being med free for the next 12 days and not even sure if I will get my regular med refill because of doctor changes at my regular office, I may start chomping heads off in a bit. lol

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Re: w john (# 9)

I think they are getting that from saying 10 mg and 4 a day and anything more makes an addict. I believe that's where the 40 mg comment is coming from because that equals out.

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Randy you are right about the Senate needing to stay out of health care but as far as you being the poster child for the amount of pain meds that people with chronic pain needs to take is far from being an intelligence statement or the advice of an so called expert . Everyone is different everyones conditions are different so the amount of pain meds needed to relieve their pain will be different . Any doctor that would categorize anyone taking more pain meds than you to be an addicts are of low intelligence and ignorant to the fact and I don't believe statement Leave judging other people in pain and the amount of pain meds they take to the man upstairs and their Doctors. You probably had good intentions on your post but think of others before you say whats on your mind. " one size shoe don't fit everyone" .

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Randy: Opioids US Senate

That was a really good post. I loved the point you made about the fact that most of those Senators never worked 40 hours a week doing hard labor. They don't know what it's like to break down by 45 and feel like 70. I am from a family of laborers. Flooring, builders, electricians, mechanics, etc. You were spot on with that. Of course, so was the rest of your post. Plus if they do happen to have a chronic pain issue, you can bet they will never have to do without proper care, no matter what THEY happen to sign into law.

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So your an expert on your life but what an ***** to tell anyone the dose for their pain and disease. We are not all the same and I’m 55 and suffer daily. I only wish you would come walk in my shoes for just a few hours on what you take for meds. I guarantee you will want your life back because I have chronic pain and my life sucks because of the opioid issue. I didn’t ask to be put on this, nor did I ask for my disease, but here I am dealing with it.

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Re: Claude (# 14)

This is plain cruel!! Do they expect us to turn to the streets! My SSI would never make it!

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Re: JMJ (# 12)

I’m truly sorry. I didn’t mean to sound like I was attacking you. By the end of the day when I’m reading through these I’m in pain and irritable. Please forgive me. We all need to somehow stick together. Too bad none of us are well enough to march on Washington like every other group!

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Re: JMJ (# 10)

You know, I don't even know what I'm saying here. 10mgs, 40mgs. What's it to me? Only care that we get what we need!

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Re: Claude (# 2)

Oh, Claude, somehow, it seems, I managed to convey something I never intended. I never meant to cast aspersions on the younger chronic pain patient. For goodness sakes, I was one myself!!!! Wow, seems my foot made its way to my mouth. Never want to be judgemental. Why would i? I identify with you and others like you. I too have had a life of pain since I was young...33. I've lived it morning noon and night. I would be an hypocrite if I meant to say what you think I did. And I am no hypocrite. Stupid sometimes, but no hypocrite!

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Re: John (# 4)

I don't even see where you got what you say I've said that. I would not say that. I understand different needs for different people. Please cut and paste my words because this sorta blows my mind. It's just not the type of comment I would make. If I somehow conveyed THAT, then please, show this. It just doesn't make sense. I don't judge, not when it comes to chronic pain!

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Re: John (# 4)

Oh, John, as far as I know I never said 40 mgs, was anything, did I? I have NEVER taken 40mgs of ANYTHING. WOW! If I said THAT I don't know where, lol. I take at most 10mg! Maybe I responded to a post without having read it well. I don't know. Am at a loss!

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Re: John (# 4)

Did I misread JMJ#1 post? Where was it posted IN THAT POST that 40 mgs of______ is the correct amount of medication and any more than that indicates a "drug addict"? I have reread that post and I must be missing something.

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I've been on the same dosage, 10/325 four per day, (which I usually break in half and only use what I need, when needed), since 2005 when my doctor told me that I'd be on this medication for the rest of my life.
I have severe degenerative disk disease with the latest MRI showing 8 disks messed up and two sections bone on bone. I had two surgeries which never really helped.

I had another doctor in 1994 tell me that I needed the steel rods and plate in my back otherwise I'd be in a wheelchair within a year. Medical panic selling! I refused that surgery and told that doctor that he was looking for a down payment for a new Mercedes and I walked out. 23 years later and I'm still walking!

I've tried the steroid shots and those other inj's. that deaden the nerves. I had one steroid shot that worked great for about 2 months, but everything else was a waste of time and a lot of extra pain. I found out later that the doctor giving those shots lost his license because patients were dying. Either from bad steroids or for overusing those shots on his patients. At that time they said you could have 3 shots per year, and he was probably doubling that.

I eventually went to the University of Illinois in Chicago to see a teaching doctor. He is on salary and doesn't have to cut for money. He said the same thing as the other doctor said about having to be on this opioid medication for the rest of my life, and that surgery is no longer an option. Another surgery would do nothing to eliminate the pain!

I even tried the Fentanyl Patch and that was a waste of time. It didn't even come close to what they said it would do so I quit that garbage.

A lot of this started after a construction accident in 1985 when an employee removed scaffolding and didn't let anyone else know what he did, which caused my fall. I was a member of two Unions, Laborer's and Carpenter's Unions who both wrote me off and denied me any form of disability pensions and tossed me out as a member.

USA, the throw away society! Typical on what happens in the USA these days! Just look at how they also treat their own injured military?

Also the Workers Compensation the lawyers must have taken that because I never received any payments from that scam insurance and never signed any settlements and they closed the case. That was just adding insult to injury and causing more pain and suffering, and losing our home in the process!

I have a friend who is now glued to his wheelchair because they cut him off cold-turkey. He's been on the same dosage for 36 years after having both hips replaced and never abused it. He even asked me if I ever got "high" from the medication and I said no. He said that is exactly how it works. Chronic pain sufferers don't get "high", they get some pain relief to allow them to live somewhat of a normal life. Without the medication we don't do anything now because of the pain levels we live with on a daily basis.

They say there is an Opioid crisis? If they could collect tax dollars on that medication, there would be no crisis! The biggest crisis this country has going now is the MONEY ADDICTION CRISIS! You can thank the Politicians and Corporate America for causing that mess!

Money drunks, or money addicts, have all the same dysfunctions as the alcohol addicts, drug addicts, or anyone else with addictions that takes them over. The sad thing about that is, is that when they are "IN IT" they usually don't know it and can't see, and they will do anything they can to get more of what they need that provides them their fix.

So now I'm waiting on the Medical Marijuana Card, not for the POT, but so I can get away from the opioids and use the real CBD oils. Not the garbage they sell at the health food stores! Those real CBD oils they say are great for pain relief and there is no "high" with it because there is little or no THC included in those oils.
That must have BIG PHARMA concerned about that now! That will cause their profits to drop when most of us make that switch! I've met quite a few people that have made that switch from the opioids to the CBD oils and it has changed their lives greatly for the better. (Maybe that will end up becoming the nonaddictive pain reliever they talk about replacing the opioids?)

But I'm sure that will get ruined too after they legalize the marijuana for recreational use and the real teenager potheads will cause a crisis there too and have it shut down. Unless the States bring in those huge tax dollars, that feeds their money addictions, and then they will allow it to continue. Just like the alcohol and tobacco!

The pain medication they had me on at first was made through Watson. That medication worked the best, but they were bought out by Actavis and they destroyed the formulation. Most of the other drug companies did the same thing and even started to add in an anti-abuse filler to try to stop the street junkies from abusing the medication. That also made the chronic pain sufferers sick as well. I even ended up having my gallbladder removed after they changed their formulations. At that time, the hospital said they were doing over 100 gallbladder removal surgeries every week.

When people actually start to wake up to what is really happening out there, they will start to research on their own other ways to get pain relief and get away from BIG PHARMA who are only out to make as much money as they can to feed their money addictions and their shareholder's money addictions.

We're supposed to be concerned about the kids abusing the drugs and overdosing and dying? I might have been concerned about that at one time, but to make me suffer more because of their stupidity makes no sense. And now they eat Tide Pods and insufflate condoms? Are they going to discontinue Tide Pods and condoms too now? I wonder if they got "high" on insulin, if the diabetics would have to find something else to treat their condition because the street junkies also ruined that?

Find me a teenage street junkie with a great spine, that they could switch their spine with mine, and they can have my spine and all the drugs that goes with it! If that was possible, I'd do it now!

This country is a total mess! Wake up people! The very people you once had faith and trust in for doing their jobs ethically and in your best interest, is now how much can they collect by panic selling you into something, and possibly cause you more pain and suffering, just to use you as the middle person to get to that insurance payout.

People might suggest for you to go seek legal advise afterwards? Don't waste your time! The lawyers are out to protect the wealthy corrupt, and the victims of their scams will only end up suffering more!

When you live through it and survive it, share it, so other people can be better informed and NOT have to become their next victims.

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Susie (# 3) --

They will put you on gabapentin instead. They want to give people drugs to be on the rest of your life instead of opiates. It's all about $.

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Susie (# 3) --

We have to suffer because of Doctors who prescribed these drugs to people who really didn't need them. I am in pain every day I take 10 mg Norco 4x a day along with 30 mg of morphine sulfate 2x a day and it seems like these drug companies are cutting the ingredients because they are not as strong as they use to be and a lot of people have complained about it. But yet heroin addicts who overdose they are giving narcan to bring them back to life so they can go out and do more heroin but we are be limited to how many pills we can get. They need to stop playing doctors and let the doctors be doctors like they were meant to be. This is getting to be like Russia.

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I'm just so sick of doctors policing us instead of treating us I've suffered because doctors being afraid to treat chronic pain patients I'm ready move to another country this one messed up not my fault docs prescribed wrong people they did it for money they really don't care covering their own butt while we are suffering no more Marcus welbys these new doctors into status money why I'm suffering

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