New White Watson 853 10/325 Problem - What Is Going On!? (Page 6)

Hello all, I am a longtime chronic pain sufferer. I have taken opiates for pain for over 10 years. I recently got a prescription filled (from a well known pharmacy chain in the U.S.) and I was given these new Watson 853 white (not yellow) hydro 10/325 pills. I wanted to ask the forum here if any of you have had the same experience with them as I have. I know there are some very smart people with advanced chemistry knowledge here that may have delved deeper into whats going on with these things. They are ineffective for me. I've taken hydrocodone 10/325 for 10+ years and have never ever had a problem with pills being ineffective but that is the case with these pills. I've had about every brand you can think of and never an issue. Ever. I thought nothing of the color change when I got the pills home from the pharmacy... I've had the yellow Watson 853's before and figured they just changed the coloring. I've seen people complain before about differences in brands before, but I've never experienced anything like that.... Mallies, Watson, Qualitst... all the same to me. I didn't start looking around for answers until I noticed these pills were not working well at all. Something is 100% wrong. Based on some initial research I do see that they have taken the yellow dye out but there are other reports from people with the same issues as I see. Obviously you just don't know how reputable some of these reports are... I've seen posts talk about pharmacists telling the patient that the pills now are structured to release hydrocodone slower (even though its an IR pill... what?)... that Actavis/Watson employees have claimed there could be "kinetic imbalances" in their formulation when upset customers have called them... etc. The only truth I know is that there is something amiss with these things. Any response would be appreciated from you guys.... experiences/info/links to other similar reports, etc. This is the most frustrating thing I have ever run into and it just doesn't make much sense to me at the moment with whats going on....and the implications this could have if these pills have been truly altered by the manufacturer in some way. I know it doesn't mean much to just say it on an internet forum, but I'm not the type to cry wolf over something like this. I realize it could be a bad batch I've received, but it looks initially like the problem is more widespread. TIA for any responses to this thread! I came here because I believe this site has people that have the intelligence/knowledge to get to the bottom of it. Again, any info at all in relation to this would be appreciated greatly.

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Its not been that long I actually messed my own self up as I listened to some people thinking I had no clue what subutex was an they said you can go get put on these an all your pain an suffering will be gone, all would be better. so I would not have to take all those pain meds, that subutex is all I need. so I did nothing wrong to or at my doctors office. went to this place to get put on subutex. I was told I'd get the script an be at home. I got there, did the process, seen a doctor, then got a number an got taken to the end of a long line. I had to drive 100 miles to get there, then dose there and then drive 100 miles back home. they told me they take medicaid an medicare but lie #2 cost me $1134.00 a month cash. I get a monthly check an have a family of 4 an get $889.00 a month. I made it 3 months an I just could not do it an I was in pain so bad so its then I found out it was to get off opiate's an they meant the emotional pain not all my pain problems. so by then I'm in so much pain I had fell due to nerve damage. my left leg gives out a lot an I fall, I'm supposed to use a cane. well the place I went to was dirty, got shut down. they found out that the doctor had ppl going there an also he had another office family medicine office an he had ppl going to both giving out scripts of any meds you could buy. so they caught them shut both office's down an found baby and child porn on his computers. not saying all the women he slept with for meds also. so he got put in jail an what he deserves. so I go back to my doctor an had to start at the bottom again an as he was getting me back to get my pain under control he got me back on the oxycontin Er an roxicodone ir. he retired an a new female doctor didn't want to write what I had been on for over 10 years with no problems. I never abused my needed meds. she cut me more than in half so I got to go with what I can but its one hell of a true life story. I lived it an now I'm still suffering from a ton of lies an no paperwork an its not found in the database so it was a waste of some of my life an I'm paying for 1 doctors nasty dirty mistakes and I hope the inmates show him how it feels. Sorry so long and to anyone make sure things are legit before making any changes. Thanks.

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Queeniek, what information is it that you're looking for ?

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I've been on oxycodone for five or six years,and my wife has used the same for seven!! when I get my script filled I get Actavis the darker blue one's 30 mg..IR. But sometimes my wife Fill's hers, wherever she can find them, she gets the litter blue color and we know for a fact they don't work as long or as well!!!?? I think these greedy companies are diluting it to steal from us..Like you we are not stupid people by far! Wish I had a way of comparing the two chemically, i know there not the same!!! just think if they make your 30's into 20's, that's a lot of money.

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I am referring to following the laws on medications. How all these changes are taking place. I would like very much to educate myself on the here & now as to what's happening with out medications and anything else that pertains to chronic pain sufferers

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You have to watch what the CDC is doing. They have more to come...I was in the ER several weeks ago with a migraine. I was there 4 hours and only at the very end of those 4-5 hours did they even consider giving me pain med. They gave me benadryl??? And Compazine, and Zofran (for nausea) then blamed me and insinuated I was drug seeking. They wondered why I was still in pain.. hello.... computers were making the diagnostic treatment plan. And most Doc's are now being told pain meds are only for the people after surgery (and then only for 2 days) or very acute pain like after a car wreck....etc. Get used to it...the government is directing your health.

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queeniek, you can go to the Board Of Pharmacy website for your state. They usually have the current state laws there. You can also put, your state name laws governing controlled substances, in google You can put, DEA controlled substances, in google for federal laws.

You also may want to go to the link below. The CDC has opened a public comment period for their Proposed 2016 Guideline for Prescribing Opioids for Chronic Pain.

Proposed 2016 Guideline for Prescribing Opioids for Chronic Pain-
regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;D=CDC-2015-0112

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I was just speaking with my husband about the changing of the formula of Hydrocodone. At first when on pain management, our doctor had him on 10mg Methadone-4 x a day and 10mg Oxycodone/325-4x a day. Our doctor left town because the clinic he was at didn't like him prescribing anything narcotic. Even when a patient had documented proof of pain. This doctor also diagnosed him with Huntington's Chorea. For 10 years we searched for a pain clinic after our doctor left because as we all know, family physicians do not like to prescribe anything narcotic, even when someone is in severe pain. We found him a clinic finally, and they put him on Methadone 10mg-2 x a day and 50mg Tramadol. This didn't work for him so the finally upped him one more Methadone. But they changed the Tramadol to Norco 5mg-3 x a day. Then they upped him to 4 Norco. Then they added one more Methadone. Then they took away one Methadone which put him back to 2 a day. They did up his Norco to 5 a day. He told me that they don't seem to work as well as they did as when he was first put on them. The clinic used the excuse with the Methadone that the government said he was on too many (3)? I don't think so. His do not seem to work at all any more. I feel bad for him. He's dying. What the hell does it matter how many he is on. He did really good on the 4 Methadone and 4 10mg Percosets. But they won't switch him to those.. Watching him, I am positive that they HAVE done something to the formulation. And I think, but it's only my opinion that since the pharmaceutical companies are so greedy and price gouge when they can, they have removed some of the drug to make more money.. I am sure of it reading some of these.. But again, it's only my opinion. And I'm not a scientist either. Who or where can we go to, to see if these can be analyzed for proof of what amount is really in them?? Are we paying for what we're not getting??? And don't get me started on these co-pays that are through the roof, either... Thank you for letting me speak my mind

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Dustyrose, there is a FDA Guideline that states a patient shouldn't take more than 120 mg Morphine/120 mg Morphine Equivelent Daily. When a patient is terminal, the guidelines and laws don't apply.

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U know if u research pharmaceutical companies. They do make mistakes and have made pills too strong before as well.some companies aren't even fda regulated the way they should be. Take ur meds to a compounding pharmacy and have them checked.

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Hello everyone. I am a person that has been disabled from age 22 to 38 an I'm still not able to work due to a ton of pain issue's. It all started in my spine and lifting hundreds of pounds in rock, brick, block cement and running a mixer all-day an some days mixing by hand. I also did roofing in those years as well so it got to where I couldn't hardly sit, stand, stay bent over, or walk. so much pain but yet my legs felt numb like no movement. I did alot of tests an they said I was fine but with that much pain I said to them something's wrong. So I got sent to UVA in Charlottesville Virginia an that's when they saw I had Degenerative Disc Disease also known as DDD, also nerve damage an my left leg just giving out whenever it wants, causing me to fall. So I went thru 2 plus yrs on every inj. an meds you can think of. Finally got it right so from age 22 to 30 been through it an tried it all. Tens unit, non narcotics, narcotics, physical therapy. So by age 30 I was on 2 30mg real oxycontin formula an 12 30mg roxicodone ir. Did that up to age 36 and tried to get off it with subutex. It did nothing, now I'm back on my meds but not close to what I was on for years in high doses. Now I'm only on 2 20mg Oxycontin Er an 4 15mg roxicodone ir a day and its a big drop but I'm still in pain an sick everyday. They should have did it backwards, what I'm on now should have been then and amped it up now since I'm worse which I never tried any of it. Wish I could take medical cannabis.

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Well tootie you may be having some minor withdrawal symptoms since there has been a change in the pill you've taking for twenty years. I don't see how it could even work for you after that many years. I ran into a similar problem with morphine ER. The color and shape changed, probably a different pharmaceutical company made it, but my body went through withdrawals, truth be known they are being forced to secretly reduce the amount of medication in them to reduce addiction. Idk how they can legally do that but how can we know?

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He's not on Morphine. He's on Methadone. He takes what equals to 20mg per day. Not even close to the 120 you mentioned. What does this have to do with the fact that like everyone else who has written here, his mess that worked before seem to be weaker. That is not what the clinic explained to him. It said that it had to do with "POINTS". Not his being terminal.. I hope I've made myself clearer as I stated all of this before..

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Hi.. I have to tell you the exact same thing is going on here. I have a friend who has a mass on her brain. It's not being monitored.. She gets severe disabling headaches and she loses the sight in one eye. When it gets that bad, everyone tells her (including her own family doc) to go to the E.R...So, she goes in, in tears, screaming in pain. They have given her Tylenol, Ibuprofen and Benadryl and also told her to go home and just learn to live or deal with it. It's to the point where people go in to the E.R., in pain and automatically you are a drug seeker. Yes, I know people like that, who drug seek and abuse the system. They go in to the hospital and every doctor in this valley. They complain that they have a hair that hurts and they walk out with a prescription. People like my friend, who has an honest to goodness documented problem, and they are labeled and refused any narcotic or nausea medication, which there are plenty of non narcotic pain relievers they could try but don't...She's in so much pain that I think she's going to die... I have another friend, who they found a mass on his liver, vomits incessantly, goes into the E.R. and because his girlfriend just happened to mention that he missed a dose of his pain medication the week before, automatically was told he was in withdrawals. And instantly, sent home with nothing for the nausea.. Nothing.. Neither person is a drug seeker. But yet, they go into the emergency room for help and they do nothing but make them feel worthless. This is a sad sad society that a person can't go into the hospital because they are sick or in pain. And they won't not don't, but won't help them. I am so afraid for both of my friend's health. I am really afraid that my friend with the brain mass is going to be driving down the highway someday, and she's going to have a headache and lose the sight in her eye and possibly have an accident. Because even her family doctor won't do something for her..I am afraid for anyone in severe pain who is in a position where they have to go to the hospital and ask for help and then gets turned away because they THINK that they are drug seeking..

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Dustyrose, you said your friend is terminal. When a patient is terminal the things that apply to patients that aren't terminal Do Not apply to them. If your friend was having the mass in her brain monitored and she was having severe pain, she might have her pain managed. If the mass in her brain was serious, a dr would be monitoring it. I can understand why the ER responds the way they do to her.

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the norco white 10/325 - bottom line, they dont work. Period. We are being taken for a ride. You can take 5 at the same time and nothing happens. Try it. I guarantee it.

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sergio, it is not a good idea to take 5 Norco at a time. Even if the amount of Hydrocodone is less than 10 mg, it also contains Acetaminophen 325 mg. It is dangerous to take more than 1,000 mg of Acetaminophen in a 6 hours period.

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No, hubby is terminal.. Friend needs surgery as of 8 years ago to have mass removed. No doctor will touch, or MRI it. She is walking around with this mass growing and growing and having worse and worse symptoms. I understand the emergency room thing too. They don't treat anyone anymore. My issue WAS NOT about being terminal. It was about the MEDS not working anymore AS WITH everyone else that wrote too.

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Dustyrose, chances are one of the reasons that the Norco doesn't work as well for your husband now is because they have reduced his Methadone. If your husband is terminal, I don't understand why the dr would be concerned about government guidelines, because they don't apply to terminal patients. Has your husband asked his dr about another long acting pain med ? There are some very good long acting pain meds.

Some dr should be monitoring your friend brain, even if they don't want to do surgery. If no dr is monitoring her, that is why she isn't treated well in the ER, they don't believe her. ER's aren't a substitute for seeing your dr regularly if you have a condition that causes severe pain.

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Ive seen a few posts @ some of you wanting to switch to oxy 10//325. PLEASE B Careful as actavis/watson has altered the percocet too. (walgreens and cvs) they re marked A333, and if you search med chat more you will find a whole thread actually 3 threads about the percocet /oxycodone 10/325. In my opinion Qualitest is/has been consistent in quality. Rhodes is ok, ive always done well with Mallinkrofdt hydrocodone but i have not had that brand in percocet. Im in Fl and i thought it was a conspiracy that was going on in Fl Being where there WAS a large amount of pill mills at one time. Not anymore they have now scared the Pharmacists and dr.s, i belong to a group of ppl who are very active. Yes many of us are n bedjail (thats what what i call it) there are many petitions you can sign and send to many representatives at one time. Like it will go to the senator and officials in your area. A lot of our members have reached out to an Orlando news reporter, he has just been reporting how its been hard in FL to get your C11 meds filled, Well just wanted to warn you all that just changing to percocet, still stay clear of Actavis/PERIOD. Also my son has medicaid and u have to choose an HMO, u r only allowed to use Wal-mart or CVS for his pharmacy / so IMO they r taking the poverty stricken and making medicaid recipients lock in where Actavis seems to be dominating, thank God my son doesnt have to take any meds on a daily basis. however i do but i have part D Medicare for my meds. A lot of suffering going on, i get the Alvogen brand oxy 10/325 and they work but i do have to take 1 1/2, it's been less than 1 year ive been on oxy 10/325 being switched from Norco/hydrocodone 10/325 after 8 years so it's not a tolerance issue. then i run out early and have to go through hell @ 3-4 a month.

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Folks b aware when u witch to oxycodone 10/325 marked A333 by actavis

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