New White Watson 853 10/325 Problem - What Is Going On!? (Page 16)

Hello all,

I am a longtime chronic pain sufferer. I have taken opiates for pain for over 10 years. I recently got a prescription filled (from a well known pharmacy chain in the U.S.) and I was given these new Watson 853 white (not yellow) hydro 10/325 pills. I wanted to ask the forum here if any of you have had the same experience with them as I have. I know there are some very smart people with advanced chemistry knowledge here that may have delved deeper into whats going on with these things. They are ineffective for me. I've taken hydrocodone 10/325 for 10+ years and have never ever had a problem with pills being ineffective but that is the case with these pills. I've had about every brand you can think of and never an issue. Ever. I thought nothing of the color change when I got the pills home from the pharmacy... I've had the yellow Watson 853's before and figured they just changed the coloring. I've seen people complain before about differences in brands before, but I've never experienced anything like that.... Mallies, Watson, Qualitst... all the same to me. I didn't start looking around for answers until I noticed these pills were not working well at all. Something is 100% wrong.

Based on some initial research I do see that they have taken the yellow dye out but there are other reports from people with the same issues as I see. Obviously you just don't know how reputable some of these reports are... I've seen posts talk about pharmacists telling the patient that the pills now are structured to release hydrocodone slower (even though its an IR pill... what?)... that Actavis/Watson employees have claimed there could be "kinetic imbalances" in their formulation when upset customers have called them... etc.

The only truth I know is that there is something amiss with these things. Any response would be appreciated from you guys.... experiences/info/links to other similar reports, etc. This is the most frustrating thing I have ever run into and it just doesn't make much sense to me at the moment with whats going on....and the implications this could have if these pills have been truly altered by the manufacturer in some way.

I know it doesn't mean much to just say it on an internet forum, but I'm not the type to cry wolf over something like this. I realize it could be a bad batch I've received, but it looks initially like the problem is more widespread.

TIA for any responses to this thread! I came here because I believe this site has people that have the intelligence/knowledge to get to the bottom of it. Again, any info at all in relation to this would be appreciated greatly.

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Some pill work and some don't. I been taking hydrocodone/acetaminophen 10325 t for five year what is wrong

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AP 27,
Percocet doesn't come without Tylenol, whatever you are taking, it sure isn't Percocet. Maybe you are taking Oxycodone IR, which doesn't contain tylenol, but all Percocet does indeed contain Tylenol along with the Oxycodone. Maybe you had better check your bottle again to see what you are indeed taking.

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These pills are fake don't work real powdery and crumble up ..no pain relief at All !

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It is hydro to acetaminophen ratio that is the problem....the f.d.a. regulates that close...very close. But with anything else off brand, their might not be an off brand to a name brand in saled dressing you like or dont like, or cereal for instance....plus your body might need more to get that effect your lookin for or expect....just remember ten years on anything means more and more to get their, try breaking them in half. Hope it works for ya.

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I have taken these pills for two years. I agree with you that something is wrong. I can sure feel the difference in them. They aren't as effective as the ones with the yellow dye in them.

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Here's what has happened to the hydrocodone the Watson company yes has taken the dye out for one the second thing the have done is taken the the amount of Tylenol and made it lower however it will still contain the same MG ao they call 10/325 hydrocodone.my sister works at Walgreens. The most important thing people must realize is if you have been in pain meds for awhile your body will be become dependant on it physically now with that being said your tolerance also become higher causing you to feel like it isn't working therefor you take more and more to reach a level of pain relief. People like me that has been on pain meds for a few years ,after awhile become somewhat immune to narcotics and it takes more and more for relief. It may not seem that it is working properly but in reality it is,your mind tells you it's different and with stories you read about its like a mental fight but they are actually working it's just taking more and more because on one's physical dependence to maintain a mental state of mind

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Dear Fusion pain, I had an epidural abscess 27 years ago which makes fusion pain look like a scratch. I had been on the same amount of pain medication from 1990 to 2010. Some where around 20 years. Kind of blows your theory out of the water. Only when they made long-term acting Oxycontin abuse deterrent and then around 2012 they also did something to Roxicodone and Norco. The pharmaceutical industry has done something to ALL narcotic analgesics years ago to make them more abuse deterrent. Anyone who has to take this stuff to tolerate their messed up body's current condition unequivocally knows YES something has been done to ALL narcotic analgesics. My own board certified pain management doctor agrees that something in fact has been done to alter narcotic analgesics euphoria effect which in turn has lessened the analgesic effect which in turn means you're going to be able to tolerate your pain less on the same dosing as before and since doing this people who use to abuse pharmaceutical opiates are now abusing illicit drugs so they can actually feel euphoria again. If what you're saying is true then anyone should be able to take TWO Norcos and get the same analgesic effect, but everyone here on this blog knows that's a bunch of....

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Got some of these white 853's. I'm led to believe that these def have tramadol in them. How do i know? ez.

Ultram/tramadol causes me to have seizures. I'm not epileptic. I've never had a seizure from pain meds or any other meds besides the trams. Until i took two 853's.

Full on seizure.

You can have 100 pharmacists tell me there's no difference, just the dye, but my body says otherwise. They feel like taking too much cough medicine. they also make it hard to think clearly, which is a pain when your job requires you to troubleshoot. Not to mention barely any pain relief. Goes to show you cant trust anyone. Do your own research.

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It is totally up to the pharmacy I was told they can give plasibos if the Dr or pharmacy wants and still charge you for b.s pills I was told this from CVS in okc on n.w 23rd and classen so I took my script to somewhere else it is at the discretion if the pharmacy

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I received a watson white 853 tablet which made me sleepy and no pain relief whatsoever. The pharmacy said it's the same thing we always sell, but it's not providing relief and causing drowsiness. This has to be stopped. I cant taste color but every other Norco manufacturer doesn't have this problem. Make them all white but include the real medication. Thank you.

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I AGREE THE WHITE DO NOT HELP YOU-MIGHT AS WELL TAKE TYLENOL-- THE YELLOW TABLETS ARE MUCH BETTER !!!

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I have read your post & I appreciate your truthfulness. Have you found anymore information since your post?
I have not been able to leave the house due to feeling sick, no energy but mostly because if the severe pain.
I couldn't have said it better than you did in your post. I am experiencing the exact same situation. I am sure my doctor won't give me another prescription for at least 3 more weeks. I dont know what to do at this point. I need any & all advise I can get.
I don't know how to deal with this pain. I can't do anything but stay in bed. How can this be allowed? I am suffering for no reason. The doctor & pharmacy have the abilities to alienate the pain but will not.
I have taken vicodin & now norcos for over 16 years. Without informing me that it has change & that I may experience some difference in the new forumal is so wrong of these professionals. The only humans who can understand & have compassion are probably those whom like myself are suffering.
What do I do now? If these Norcos are to remain this way & give no relief then what will? I have gotten information as to other medications becoming time released as well.
I was not 100% of the person I use to before all of this pain. However I was maybe the best I have been since I've been living with the pain. Now they have taken that away from me & made me unproductive to live in a state of painful suffering again.
How is this right , how is this humane & what is to be done about this?
I suffer from depression as well because of my pain level &:because I have had to grieve over the loss of who I was has died. I just don't think I can take much more & I can't live like this. I am a burden on others now as well as to myself.
This inhumane restructure of pain management is unacceptable & even more so because the so called professionals have changed life entirely without even informing those they have effected. What gives them the right to destroy so many lives both of those in pain as well as their loved ones that now they are depend on?
I need answers please.
Thanks
Alison

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I got my wisdom teeth out yesterday and I've taken 2 of the Watson 853s and I'm still in pain. All it does is make me sleepy. I've felt no different whatsoever.

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I've never taken Watson 853s. But Ik these are meant for pain and it's just making me sleepy but I'm still in pain. My wisdom teeth were taken out yesterday and that's what the Dr gave me.

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I use to be highly dependent upon any hydro pill, 7.5/ 750- 5/500- 10/1000. I'm not a chemist nor work with pharmaceuticals, however no one has changed the amount of hydro in these scripts but they have changed the amount of acetaminophen which works together with the hydrocodone to make it more effective. Lowering the acetaminophen takes away from the pain relief. This was done due to the many people suffering from kidney failure.. I'm so disgusted with our government, the DEA, pharmaceuticals and doctors for knowing the entire time what kind of outbreak they were creating while consciously knowing the high count of our nation that would be dependent/addicted to this drug without making it known until it became too many for them to just ignore. So now it's a felony, instead of offering a solution they sweep everyone up and throw them in jail, on the streets or worse, allow them to die just to cover up their doing.

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got a new subsction they gave me 853 these pills should be taken out of the market they realy suck dont help the pain they make you dillusional cant think clear at all dizzy chest pains stomach pains ttheir should be a laww suite against them

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Hello, I've been on the yellow pills in the past and yes like others they worked with no problem. I suffer with a lot of pain. I had breast cancer on both sides, been in a car accident not long ago, had surgery on my foot and I've taken the white pills 10/325. My body is in so much pain I've taken these white pills praying the pain will go away in tears. I can't sleep. If anyone has information how we all can get help please pass on any information. It's a shame how this company is cutting corners and billing our insurance and we still have to suffer with pain. Everyone isn't a abuser or addict to pills. People in pain need help or change us back to something that really works!

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TS it's not just hydrocodone. It's all narcotic analgesics that they've done something too to keep people from getting high so they can't abuse it, but the enormous problem is that it doesn't work that well for analgesia if at all now and no one seems to care because they're only concerned about abuse and not analgesia.
You can read other threads about different types of narcotic analgesics and see people complaining about the same thing you're saying about Norco...

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@Alison, hang in there, please let us know you made it through..

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Hello I was wondering could it possible be the 325mg is actamenphine in them. Cause I no the with me when I got the 5s it was always 500mg and 7.5 750 of actamenphine in them but I never got 10/325 and I am in the same boat your in also it could possibly be ur tolerance is immune to ur dosage u might have to up the dose...thats what I did and it helped a lot

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