New Subutex Laws (Page 5)
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I went to see my doctor this week and he told me that the FDA and the DEA had passed a new law for prescribing Subutex. As of July 1st 2015 Subutex can only be given to pregnant woman or to someone with documentation saying they can't take Suboxone. If you don't have that you will be put on Suboxone.

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This is not true...It's doctors discretion. It is in my state any way...don't have a clue if difference in every state.

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You don't know how it feels goin without ur meds so mind ur own business

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What is the WV law code for buprenorphine prescription guidelines 2015-2016?

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If you put as much focus on worrying about your own damn self instead of being a d**** to someone who's apparently trying to fight an addiction you may get somewhere in life. Why are you on here posting if you are against this s*** so much. Its people like you that make me dislike other human beings.

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CHUCKO: Whom are you talking to? If it is to me, I have no problem with people's reading abilities. I DO have a problem with people saying the same thing to me OVER AND OVER as if it's ME with the reading comprehension problems. I DO have a heart, and I am only on here to help. Ask me anything you want, and I will put as simply and directly as possible. If it is someone else on here you are addressing, then nevermind! :)

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CROATIANCHAD: I thought you said the Subutex had you nodding out and high? Hmmm.... maybe the methadone will be better for you. I know it works better for me. I switched from the max dose of Subutex to methadone tablets a couple years ago. I am VERY SLOWLY going down on my dose. Am currently on 85 mgs, planning on going down another 5 mgs in a couple weeks. If you DO go on the methadone, I would try to just do the minimum amount.

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You ever think its hard for some people to read...geeezzzz have a heart.

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MIMI: I don't know about that.... I would get a second opinion on that one. I don't think Naloxone is all that great for the baby. Seriously, talk to another doctor.

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True I have a question, has anyone noticed Subutex makes you kind of moody, headache and still doesn't stop cravings well? I believe I'm switching to 10-20mg of methadone Monday. For my habit I feel I need the stronger just until I've done counseling and am stronger. Sub still has me craving, and pissy all day

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Well I am pregnant n my doc want put me on subutec he wants me to stay on suboxone even though my obgyn has said he would prefer me on the subutec so just BC u r pregnant doesn't. Mean that u will b put on what u want to b put on

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MARY: AGAIN, everything we are talking about here, and EVERYTHING you just said, was already addressed in what I wrote earlier. It has to do with the binding affinity of antagonist opioids vs. agonist opioids, and what they do to the mu opioid receptors in the brain. These are scientific FACTS. Subutex OR Suboxone DOES NOT MATTER. Do you know about partial vs. full agonist opiates? Antagonist opioids? There is really nothing more to say about it. You keep saying "pks" rather than stating the specific medication you took. I have no idea why you did not experience precipitated withdrawals, (and trust me, you are GLAD you didn't) because you have not provided enough information. There are many, MANY factors that can be to blame. BUT, POINT BLANK, SCIENTIFIC FACT; taking a full agonist opioid and then taking an opioid antagonist like buprenorphine (which is the active ingredient in both Subutex and Suboxone) can and will throw you into precips. AS I SAID, there are many factors that could have kept you from experiencing this. Which is actually a GOOD thing. But if you are going to take a pharmacists word as gospel, then God help you anyway. (and by the way, 90% of people working in pharmacies are not "pharmacists") Don't believe me? I really don't care. I am here only to help, and to protect people from bad advice.

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MARY: And I am speaking about BOTH Subutex and Suboxone. I am speaking about the active ingredient in BOTH, which is Buprenorphine. In this situation, they are THE SAME. GEEZ lady, learn to read. I don't need to "speak with a pharmacist" since it is a know-nothing PHARMACIST who is the one who steered me wrong in the first place. But you would already know all this if you had bothered to read my "book", which you so arrogantly dismissed. I will not be replying to any more of your argumentative posts, because obviously your mind is made of CEMENT. I have the word of two different addiction specialists, many, MANY articles on the subject (I subscribe to several medical journals), my own research, my own experience and the experience of several others. But, AGAIN, I already told you all this. Not my fault if you don't want to learn anything. BYE>>>>>

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Call your pharmacy, speak to a pharmacist... Ask about subutex...not suboxone...don't know anything about suboxone.. (subutex only) is what I take. Ask if you will go into withdrawals before or after. I know I'm nothing special, but it is what it is. Now...the only explanation to what you are saying, don't know for sure but as far as stronger opiates... maybe you will have withdraws because they're are stronger. I'm not saying anything false. But again...Make a call. Again, I'm speaking of subutex, not suboxone. WOW

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TO ANYONE QUESTIONING THIS: Please, do not take subutex/suboxone/zubsolv too soon after taking opiates/opioids. You will regret it. Let me be the one who went through the misery instead of you. If you want more information on this, you can look up "precipitated withdrawals". PEACE.

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MARY: Taking opioids AFTER Subutex will not produce withdrawals. Taking OPIOIDS and then taking Subutex will produce withdrawals. Yes, it DOES work that way. Wait.....you wouldn't take the time to read my "book", and then you reply in kind? That's called hypocrisy. Whatever lady. I will continue to help people on here and you do whatever; I don't care either way.

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Listen, I'm don't get on here to fight, be stupid or give wrong info. What I talk about is only from my experience. Two people on here helped me when I first started my Sub's. When it come to pk's, I sapose the one thing I should have explained better because yes, there are people who may still abuse and take pk's at the same time. Not in my case so it was written. Anyway...BL and Cro head both helped me on this journey, if it weren't for them I probably would still be a user.... Yes, I took PK's and directly after I took my Sub's , there are no partisapated withdraws at all! Also, I took my Sub's then pk's...No withdraws...it doesn't work that way. YES, it the wrong thing to do and I did this at the beginning.. The serious part of doing this is you can over dose because the Sub's block the feel of the pk's so doing this is not smart! I'm not on here to write a book or give wrong advise but I'm also not on here to make it a game or a boxing match. I'm an adult and act as one. So, nothing I have said previously was wrong. This is MY experience, no one else's.
As far as other meds mixed with Sub's, I have no clue...I didn't take anything else but pk's! So my experience is limited.
Now, you can have cat fights all you want...this is not why I joined this group.
Peace

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CROATIAN CHAD: Let me know what's going on with you. Did you lower your dose of Subutex? PEACE

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PAM: In this forum, the abbreviation "PK" stands for Pain killer.

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what is a pk??? I am not use to this comp. language I guess.pam

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MARY: And btw, "how I address things" is to be helpful to people. I have had people tell me on MANY of these threads that I helped them very much. You? You dispense bad advice. And sure, you've "already been told about" me. Right. So now you are delusional AND ignorant. You should be proud.

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