Generic Buprenorphine 54 411 Vs M 924 (Page 9) (Top voted first)

I've been going to a clinic for almost a year now and each time I get prescribed 8mg Subutex. When I would fill my prescription I would receive 54 411 white tablets. Today when I picked it up I got M 924 white tablets. The only difference I've found is the manufacturer. The manufacturer for the 54 411 is ROXANE and for the M 924 is MYLAN. Are they pretty much the same pill just different imprint/manufacturer?

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They do still make the Roxanne ones. I just had them last month. Roxanne labs just merged with West Ward Labs and they are hard to find at the moment but not impossible.

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I get mine from super one grocery store. They always have them. I live in Shreveport La.

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Re: Please no more Activas (# 163)

Bro, where are u from? Bcuz the whole deal about pharmacists being part of my team is about the funniest s*** I've heard in a long time, matter of fact they treat me as if they are more like my enemy. But I'm glad I heard your message for the fact that's actually how it needs to be and there's a couple of them for whatever reasons just don't have that kind of heart or soul, cuz I see it as I did last time after the talk and argument I had with this younger guy at Texarkana tx, walmart on new Boston road told me he can make it where I can't get any of them filled anywhere at all because I wanted to get my prescription transferred to his pharmacy. Well after going up there in person and talking to the first pharmacist I saw like a man and no longer on the phone then got some proper responses but I didn't know who the young man was, but I did find out and it wasn't from someone telling me it was from him eyeballing me and looking at me out the top of his eyes on to the side of his eyes like I was crazy and like he could not stand me. Okay now all because he told me that I couldn't he can make it where he I couldn't get any of my prescription filled anywhere and I told him you're full of s*** dude, you don't have that authority. When I went up there in person he was like a little coward and he ran to the other side of the store because he was right next to the woman that I was talking to and I was explaining the situation and when he heard me talking about that he took off. So there are pharmacists out there that are not in our best interest and I would like to know who I would report that to because people in that field need to be more dedicated to our personal well-being our health and what works for us and not exactly like what you said, you know exactly how you said it, and so that just gives me the confidence to know that this is for me not for him and I'm going to work on that. I'm going to try to have him removed anyway I can or at least for his negative behavior. Thank you.

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Re: Stacey Butto (# 167)
You we're able to still find the Roxane brand? Not Wentworth but the tables actually have,54/411? I ask because these no longer exists. Other than some friends I have in California it's impossible.Please let us know!

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Re: Roxanne56 (# 172)

Yes I just had the Roxanne brand last month the 54/411's. And the month of September I got Mylan. Actually 2 pharmacies where I'm from had them last month. I go again on the 12th so we'll see what I get this time but the Roxanne and Mylan are hard to find. At one pharmacy in my town they order them because I've been a customer 15 years and the other does it because I was their first customer ever. There's a lot of people in my town near Pittsburgh Pa that are having major issues finding them. Roxanne Laboratories was bought or merged with West Ward Laboratories so I'm sure that has a major factor why pharmacies are not supplied with them at the present time. I know that my last pharmacy normally carries Mylan and ran out of those and ordered the Roxanne. I think the pharmacy companies make less money on these brands and that may also be a factor.

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There is no difference at all between the 54-411 and the m-924. It's all in your head. They switched me to the 924's and they seem to last much longer.

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Re: Subzero Subutexn (# 169)

I had a similar issue where I had called up more than 3x in a day to check on the status of my order being filled. The third time the fill-in pharmacist picks up the phone and proceeds to tell me that my prescription is NOT ready and the world doesn't revolve around me. Anyways long story short, the store manager actually is above them and I didn't know that, even if they're a pharmacist at Walgreens or Walmart. BUT please be careful - he knows your address, name, phone number & everything!!! I'm in Oklahoma and there was a case here where a little old lady pissed her pharmacist off so he posted an ad on Craigslist advertising her as a prostitute and gave out her address inviting men over. Just keep in mind who has ur entire life's info at their fingertips!!! People these days u never know.

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Re: Illymae (# 20)

The Mylan 924s work wonderful for me. I used to be on the suboxone strips. The 924s seem much stronger than the strips.

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I'm doing research on the new buprenorphine that apparently everyone is now getting. I was told that my pharmacy can't even special order the roxanne ones. So I'm now getting the 460s. Why is everyone complaining so much? Technically, they all have the same ingredients. They don't split easy that's for sure, and don't taste that great, but I really think it's all in people's heads about side effects. I think the side effects that are being felt is just the adjustment to the active ingredients. What i want to know is there a pharmacy out there that CAN get the roxanne ones ordered in?

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Re: Roxanne56 (# 172)

I'm around Charlotte NC and get the 54 411 monthly, have for over a year. Have no problems around here.

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Re: Steph (# 180)

HI Steph,
I used to believe that the differences between brand name and generics was too minimal for there to be a physiological difference and that any subtle differences would be nothing to complain about.

I too believed the same thing for generic vs generic (same generic, just different manufacturers).

That all changed when I experienced a full month on Activas instead of Roxanne.

Nothing could possibly ever change my belief now that the differences can truly be significant - both physically and mentally.

I thought, and hoped, that I'd adjust to the difference's in a week, max. Things only worsened over time.

I hope you're serious about really doing research. It is going to be very difficult since the differences people feel, or not feel, can too easily vary between individuals.

Too many variables are at play, which is what makes effective research so hard to conduct.
(I.e. other meds people take, diets, habits, sleep patterns, etc.)

The experience I had, and am so worried about having to go through again this month, is very real.

Fortunately I was able to get Roxanne/westward again last month, but it was the 2nd half of the previous months bottle.

They ordered it again last month and it never came..... waiting on them to try another order...

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Re: kcannon (# 181)

Moving that way soon. Do you see a doctor for them?

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Re: Bandit24 (# 16)

Taper very slowly, and pray. Worst detox of my life

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Re: Harry (# 12)

I've taken the Mylan M 924 and Roxanne 54 411 with no noticeable difference except the M 924 is a harder pill. The Reckitt Benckiser B 8 were also great along with the Teva B 799's. The worst of the bunch imo, are the HiTech tiny bupe pills. I suppose they may be a dream for those wanting less adultrants for IV abuse, but the pill felt about HALF as effective as the others.

This is my preferred order: 54 411, B 799, B 8 (discontinued) then M 924.

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Re: T (# 1)

Hi. I do know all that matters is you're getting the right meds. Neither one is stronger. The 54 411 is made by Roxane manufacturer and the m924 is made by Mylan. Now I have heard from people that the m924s have more filler than the 54s. It all depends on how you take your medication honestly. I would not recommend ever abusing them. Do your research on the bioavailability. You'll be surprised. Well, hope this helped. Take care and congrats on the road to recovery. Just don't replace one addiction for another. Take as directed as you wean yourself off. If not, your Dr should already be doing that. Your dose should go down 15 pills as every couple of months pass. My Dr had me down from 90 tablets 3x daily and over a year now down to a quarter once daily, and if I don't take it, I can't even tell.

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Re: suffering 63 (# 21)

If Percocet 20 mg a day isn't enough for your pain, then face it your an addict as well. How can u down addicts and say it's our fault that doctors quit writing pain meds b/c of us? It's the doctors fault anyway pushing pain meds on you constantly. I have been clean 13 months and 15 days. I think Subutex/Suboxone is a life saver, u have never been an addict so don't judge ppl when u have no idea what it's like. Having cramps, can't sleep, nausea, vomiting, chills, sweats, just feels like utter death... So STFU!

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Re: Roxanne56 (# 186)

I still get the 54 411. If that's what your talking about. Still here in N.C.

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Re: Subsforlife (# 191)

Yes thank God I found my Roxane/Westward 54_11 at walmart!! I called Westward a few months ago and after all the many complaints the lady said they were no longer made at Sun pharmaceutical in India. She was very excited and assured me they were equal to the previous Roxane brand. I can agree with that having been back on this brand for months. Also if you don't have insurance most pharmacies take an Rx coupon. A friend gets 60 8mg for 115.00. I've read somewhere that there is a new generic subutex out??? Anyone know what the results are?

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Re: Illymae (# 20)

There is definitely a difference. I posted earlier today that I was on the original Subutex for about 2 years, then was switched to the Mylan 460. Within a week, I had to double my dose to have the same efficacy of the original. I'm now on the Roxanne's with the 54 111 imprint and comfortably back to 8mg per day. Whoever is telling us all of them are the same is ignorant. Some of the generic brands have as much as 20% less buprenorphine in them along with fillers that both effect their duration and cause side effects I've never experienced.

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Mylan brand almost sent me back into relapsing after 6 years clean....Roxanne (now westward) are so much better. Mylan brand caused me to feel withdrawal symptoms and it caused me sever depression. It was honestly an absolute nightmare. My CVS is currently on back order for my Westward/Roxanne brand, so there might be a shortage. This happened 9 months ago as well when Westward purchased Roxanne. Recently Westward shut down their generic plant and moved it to OH so the shortage is likely directly related to this. I would call your doc and explain....ask for another script and call every pharmacy in the state lol. I am about to drive 2 hours to get mine.

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