2014 New Pain Medication Laws Dictating To Doctors That They Cannot Prescribe Anything Equivalent 120 Mg Of Morphine Or Higher A Day Per Patient (Page 27)

I was told Friday by my Pain Management Doctor at my monthly appointment that the DEA was implementing a new law dictating to doctors on how much pain medication they could prescribe per patient per day. It could be equal to no more than 120 mg of Morphine per day per patient and they had to comply within 3 months for all of their patients. I am trying to find out as much information on this as possible. I don't know if my Pain Management Doctor is stating fact or if he is just running scared and if he is stating fact, I don't know if this is federal or state (Alabama) mandated. I spoke directly with the Southeastern division of the DEA in Atlanta this morning and they are not aware of any law of this nature coming into effect and I also contacted another pain clinic locally that has never heard of it either. So I have been trying to reach my Pain Management Clinic and get a copy of the law itself so I will know if it's federal or state and if it is an actual law or just a state regulation and if it's even true but so far no one has called me back so I thought I'd try my luck here and see if anyone has heard of this. This really has me bothered. It looks like either way, true or not, to get adequate pain care I am at least going to have to move out of state if not the entire country. I will ask my questions about that in a different post. But if this is in any way true, and it seems my pain doctor is going to be going by these guidelines whether it is or is not true, it is going to cut my pain meds by almost half. I am on 120 mg of Oxycodone and 8 mg of Dilaudid per day which I was told equals 212 mg of Morphine per day. And before someone decides to tell me that I don't need that much pain medication, I will go ahead and say to you, you don't know me, you don't know what conditions I have that cause me Daily Severe Chronic Pain and other Daily Severe Pain to warrant that much medication, you don't know my tolerance for pain meds, I do NOT take any pain medication to feel high, I ONLY take pain medication to relieve some of the pain as what I am on doesn't even relieve all of my pain, I do NOT drink, I do NOT do street drugs, I see my doctor every 28 days just as I am supposed to, I take my medication as prescribed and the way I am supposed to take it except when I had extreme oral surgery a month ago and I did have to break up my tablets for about a week but they were put on my tongue and NOT up my nose and they were IR tablets so I was fine doing that as I had checked with my pharmacist prior, and you don't feel what I feel or see me lying in bed 24/7 crying from the pain because it is so excruciating and unrelenting so please before anyone starts telling me that I don't need that much pain medicine just stop now before you even start. Those of you that have to live with daily pain will surely understand where I am coming from being this defensive as I'm sure you know you are treated as a drug addict by most doctors even. Thanks in advance for any help with my question.

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I am so sorry. have to tried a cancer Dr. the ones in my area never allow a patient to suffer. My cousin got huge bottles of 4 different pills as often as he asked. I live in MISSISSIPPI.

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May I ask where you live? I would contact my local news and tell them my story if I were you, and publicize your suffering by Doctors who aren't even following CDC guidlines for treating pain in cancer patients. It's simply horrible what you're going through. This could help you, as well as others in your city and state in the same predicament because of inhumane Doctors who are letting terminal patients suffer! You all need immediate help, I pray you can get someone to listen! God bless you, you're in my prayers!

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It is not the diagnosis of cancer alone that allows for the patient to be treated as a cancer patient according to the laws. It is the cancer being at a certain stage that is needed.

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I live in NJ and I have no prior history of drug use or abuse of any medicine.

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Anybody here have epilepsy? I lost someone I met at Walmart and have no contact info....petite white female in ponytail with epilepsy.....not me, but girl I lost.....no more, this is not a hook up!

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Officials are concerned about the "accidental" death by opiates. What about chronic pain patients who commit suicide because they can't get the medication needed to make life bearable? Who is keeping up with this stat?

How many folks reading this forum have considered making the move to the other side because the quality of life is next to nil?

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Grace.. I am fortunate to have a P.M doctor that truly cares about his patients and understands what people that suffer from chronic and intractable pain go through on a daily basis. He goes to bat and stands up for his patients to the D.E.A and other government agency's and for that I'm grateful because I have friends that struggle to have just a little bit of relief because either their P.M doctor cut their medication drastically over the last 6 months or they can't find one that will listen to the level of pain that they are living in every day.

While we all know that their are a lot of people out there that just want to get high or financially profit from getting a legal prescription every 2 weeks or 30 days but then there are people like myself and you that need our medication because without it our quality of life would be greatly diminished.

I am truly blessed to know I have my Dr in my corner fighting for my right to keep my chronic pain minimized so I can work to support my family and participate in mine and my children's life again. It's sad that because of drug seekers making our government dictate what and how much a Dr can prescribe, people that can't take the pain anymore take their own life to escape it.

I hope that your situation improves and if you live in NJ and want a great P.M Dr let me know and I'll give you mines name and number.

Beth

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There is no such law that a Doctor can only prescribe = 120 MG of Morphine. I have read some Doctors who advise this. I called the Medical Board, the CDC even my Insurance, this is not a law. The DEA would like a Doctor to get an Opiate Contract with a patient dependent (not addicted) to opiates where they can be evaluated at anytime. Why when there is BioEngineered Marijuana (%30 THC) that is far more dangerous, and is not organic. I read the Anti Pain Meds the most in these greedy Marijuana Lobbyist sites. I have CRPS (RSD Brachial Plexus Causalgia) Fibro, Rheumatoid Arthritis (i believe these 3 or 4 IBS are one Autoimmune disease. It is amazing that people who needed opiates but were refused or maybe didnt are the most vociferous of all against Opiates my guess is they feel if they couldnt handle them (like having addictive behavior) how could anyone else since they feel they are the only self-actualized people. Any medication must be taken exactly as prescribed, if your wife has a headache and you give her 1 opiate it is addictive and considered addictive behavior.

It is sad that people who dont know what other people's diseases or pain is from, feel this righteous need to speak out and make up stories. Doctors probably have to pay more if they prescribe. I know many with RSD and other diseases, who gave up and committed suicide, though Methadone is harder on the system and more addictive than opiates, since they make people feel sick and slow a Doctor has no problem and Bupriorphinermine (I hope Im close) I have never been so sick trying this. Doctors tend to believe that Fibromyalgia needs SSRI meds for mental illness, like another dangerous drug Lyrica, I read an article a couple months back it is dangerous to the heart. Its sad if you cant sit down with a Doctor and figure a good pain regimen. Even pharmaceutical speed is easily prescribed called Adderall get the ADD maybe a ADHDeral is next, this is a dangerous Methamphetamine or crank if you prefer but everyone is different, if this truly helps someone who is sick it is not up to me to say they shouldnt get it, even if I see the damage from the violence when people come down each day from it. I live in a State (Oregon) where I can call up the Government about my medical problems. I bet you'd do well to start with the State Medical Board.

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rsder, the CDC issued Guidelines for prescribing opiates for chronic pain in 2016 earlier this year. The CDC Guidelines recommend not exceeding 90 mg Morphine/90 mg Morphine Equivalent Daily Dose among other things. You are correct, these Guidelines are not laws. But, more and more drs are going by them. The FDA came out with Guidelines that recommended 120 mg Morphine/120 mg Morphine Equivalent Daily Dose several yrs ago. The CDC Guidelines have replaced the FDA Guidelines.

Pain Contracts are up to each individual pain dr. The reason for them is so the dr has proof that the patient has been informed of the rules, understands them and agrees to them. Patients can't say they weren't informed or didn't understand or agree to the rules once they sign the pain contract.

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I too have been told this by 2 different doctors. They have already cut my pain meds in half and have told me they will be cutting them in half again in the coming month. What can we do about this??? I am going to write a letter to my congressmen and senators and also my governor but I don't know what good it'll do. Ive been trying to find a new pain doctor for several months and I've had no luck. I live in Milledgeville, Ga and I don't mind having to drive to Atlanta or Macon or anywhere 2-3 hours from home once a month but I need to find a pain dr that will really help me and not be afraid to write a pain script. I have ALL of my records and x-rays, CT scans, MRIs, every note, EVERYTHING that documents my case so there is no questions. I have ALWAYS filled on time I don't use any street drugs I am at every appointment and I am always more than happy to do a drug panel because they won't find any surprises in my pee. Anyway, if anyone could give me some tips on some drs nearby that might be willing to take me on, I would be very greatful for any help in this search.

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For your cancer try Rick Simpsons oil, it cures cancer!!

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Erik, if you are taking more than 90 mg Morphine/90 mg Morphine Equivalent Daily Dose it is extremely doubtful you will find a dr that won't reduce it.

You can write anyone you wish, but it won't make any difference. What is happening now has been in the works for quite a while. There was a time for the public to make comments on proposed changes. Unfortunately, few comments were made against the proposed changes during those comment periods.

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A couple folks mention getting suboxone or another detox type med if you can't get enough pain meds....I do know suboxone does work for pain and keeps one alert...I have yet to find one that take TnCare and have found that TnCare UnitedHealthcare has dropped many pain doctors..Yes Obama wants addiction doctors to double their load while eliminating pain patients...it has more to do with making them easier to warehouse once 'New World Order' is standard...pain patients will do what it takes to get relief right? Therefore we are a threat to a global police system which is also underway under the Strong Cities initiatives in the U.S. I'm screwed and without a doc but the rest of you should start stockpiling your meds while you have them or while your ins still allows you to see a pain doc. Of course there's always cannabis and that godawful Lyrica which makes you useless for three days....they are doing hydrocodone and oxycodone like they did marijuana! Neither of those are even narcotics! But are made from Thebaine-the only NONNARCOTIC alkaloid of the poppy! And is in fact a stimulant!!!! Govt is lying to us! The three safest medicines they have put out of our reach! Oxycodone, Hydrocodone and a plant Cannibis!

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Posters,

This is all to do with the government controlling pain the reason your opioids went up in prices is 'killary' was lecturing for $445,000 per hour on HOW to make supply low, raise demand and manufacturers MAKE MORE MONEY with less employees, less pain patients and HIGH cost per product. This is not what you want, you must vote Trump.

Although I've had my Supreme Court Order the bad people now have taken Dr. T. from me again; they are blow ass idiots and they gave me a panel of physicians NONE of which are pain specialists and one which MURDERED a patient not recognizing his alcoholism, getting dirty UA's. waiting 3 months and the guy dies of an OD on Oxycodone. Dr. T. gave me referrals none of which were on this panel and I am fed up. Totally. This has to do with terrorism and making our country and people into Hitler's Jews in modern time terrorist days.

Fight the system your physicians are being paid INCENTIVES to let you GO, not take new patients, and letting those with chronic illness die. Some mention they have a good physician I had the best in the U.S. prior to him another equivalent for 11 years this no longer matters the physicians will TAKE the incentives it is more money then they make on keeping you alive and whining in pain that is the truth of the matter there is no Hippocratic oath any longer it is a hypocrites oath and each physician doing this is earning his or her box in hell (I am positive of this).

Methadone is probably one of the drugs that will be allowed do not believe other posters telling you that Suboxone or Subutex kills pain it KILLS YOU; Methadone will be around for the old fashioned junkies who are applauded after all they are the ONES WHO ILLEGALLY OBTAIN our prescription medications and DIE of overdoses.

Oxycodone does not have thebaine but it is the only opioid that increases mood which is helpful to many who cry, and experience depression on many of the long acting opioids. As most know I made it through a year winning in Court so severely tapered due to my ultra rapid opioid metabolism and then the jerks send me back to California; I am basically on Methadone and a slew of regular opioids which take all my time because they do not last long and side effects from the Methadone well I could write a book (and might I need to) for all that is going on.

The tail end d bag running with 'killary' is part of my problem. When he was Governor he allowed one agency that has no licensed medical professionals to intervene to get government employees injured on duty back to their job TO SAVE MONEY ON NEW HIRE PACKAGES. These stupid rotting a holes have attempted this with me. I am a catastrophic injury and the Court awarded me illegal termination the same day I got my lifetime Medical Award which they can SETTLE if they want to lower costs (minus my MSA or Medicare Set Aside) once my pain is stable again. The damage done me is irreversible Methadone does nothing for the suicide level neuropathic pain the only thing that worked for that was brand Duragesic and due to my metabolism my bill (due to falsely inflated drug shortages and prices) was over $30,000 per month. It's a bad situation but I believe Trump will restore our private for profit health care system and all know I am a professional nurse and published researcher this is WHY AMERICA has the best cures for all diseases and care for profit medicine. We must get out and vote for Trump I know he owes no favors and does not entertain "head cutters" and if you do not you have yourself to blame. The very ****s who voted 'odumma' feel like the worst fools ever and you were and did it twice. Do not mistake what I say, the government wants us and other chronic illnesses dead while they sooth addicts, criminals and illegals to play free military as they bury us in mass graves, throw in some cheap gasoline, and set us a fire with a match.

Don't make this mistake. I am sorry I have not been on but look at what these bucket jobs did again and the Attorney General is who represents them and I WON, and WON, and WON (3) times in the past year writing legal briefs while in severe uncontrolled pain and withdrawal due to their cut throat and criminal actions. We are ready to go to the news unless my reimbursements are fulfilled and they either put me back with Dr. T. or one of the physicians I thought was good on his list of referrals.

Peace and blessings, do not bust your doctor they are scared or taking MONEY to kill you so either make due till we get a new president and he turns it around or open your mouth and NOT get the justice you do deserve. Right now there are only career criminals like 'killary' lying to your face. As a woman I WOULD NOT VOTE for this b***** can you imagine!

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Kitty,

I live with pain researched at 100 x worse than end stage cancer.

I as a nurse have concern that ALL PAIN IS MANAGED but having a terminal illness usually means a good tolerance (they can take almost anything if progressed and get relief) means you have an end in sight.

We with intractable pain are supposed to LIVE believe it or not, terminal patients are LUCKY for they have an end in sight and it is MORE UNFAIR to segregate those with REAL pain by "live or die", we are not addicts we have intractable pain ok?

Geez.

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Although I am interested in this subject for conversation about Pain Management, the dates corresponding with it are showing 2014, 2015 and this is July 2016. What is with that?

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Posters,

When you first log in it goes to the OLDEST POSTS FIRST. Change the setting to NEWEST.

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Racism, misogyny, and politics invalidates that post.

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I'm in Manhattan. I'd love a good doctor! I was doing okayish until the past 4 months when they started this change-a-roo with me.

I have to add words to my post for it to be accepted so I'm babbling now. (In pain too.)

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I have to. It's hurts when u have to have it just to have a quality of LIFE. I FEEL THE SAME WAY AN DR TOLD ME THE SAME AN I DO LIVE IN ALA. But it's got to be so much restriction of the DEA IT HURTS PPL THAT NEED IT. SO I DO FEEL YOUR PAIN AN SCARED ITS GOING TO GET TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE ALL SUFFER BECAUSE OF SOME THAT DO NOT NEED AS MUCH. BUT I HAVE BED. TAKING PAIN MEDS FOR YEARS SO MY Tolance is very high an I am taking Opana the ER an IR 10 2 times a day. I can't even get one pill in between. It seems everything has changed so much. Had MRI done 2 months ago an they want to do back surgery but have COPD AN IN STAGE 3 of it. It's SORDA fight in a losing battle but I keep doing the best I can. But it so bad when u have records to show your hurts an all the surgeries an yes one of the Drs there tried me in many different ones but I know METHODONE is supposed to keep u from wanting anything narcotics but IT HELPS MY PAIN MORE THAN ANYTHING BUT I CSN NOT MAKE HER UNDERSTAND ALL THIS. WORRIED ABOUT ALL THIS TO

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