Is Baclofen The Same Thing As A Soma (Page 2)

my mom has been taking somas and her doctor changed her meds and she is skeptical of new medicene.

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I won't take baclofin for that reason. It makes me a zombie. My doctor wants me on a fentynal patch for pain management with soma 1-350 mg 3 times a day or 10mg oxycodone 6 times a day for breakthrough pain. I'm not keen on either so for now I'm having a trial for a spinal chord stimulator implant. I use a hospital grade tens machine and lidocaine patches, along with torodol injections. But I really don't like the way baclofin makes me feel at all and it doesn't help with pain management. At least not for me.

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If you know so much about ravers not abusing soma you must also know (sounds like you have had some experience with that lifestyle) ravers enjoy "drug of choice" molly (also known as 'E'), along with any other mind altering drugs to stay up for days and to sleep with only God knows who!!!! My advise to you high and mighty, there is only one judge and that is GOD, so get over yourself. People have real pain issues so go on "RAVER" party on with your illegal drugs!!!!

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I have been taking 20mg per day for years due to MS. !0mg in the morning and 10mg at night. I have been a bit concerned about my memory lately so my neurologist told me to cut 5 mg for two weeks then cut 5 again for two more weeks. Following that regmin cutting 5 mg for two weeks, he said take the last 5mg at night for two more weeks and then stop. I have had no side effects but rather have felt better, happier and have more energy. One less drug.

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I take baclofen and neurontin. Before starting the two medications I didn't want to sleep because I couldn't handle the pain when I woke. It had been going on for over a year. The pain and burning was taking over my life. It would take hrs for me to get out of bed. It was scaring my kids to see me in bed crying and when I got up I could barely walk. No medication is a miracle drug but it made a significant difference. Ive been on both meds for over a year now. I can work out again, im back in the garden, n go skating w my kids:) I didn't want to be loopy and tired all the time and just wanted some relief and they gave it to me. I still have major flare ups every few months n I'm prescribed a 6 day prednisone regiment but I turn into the incredible hulk Lol, and very rarely do I take the percocets prescribed anymore because they make me dizzy about 2 hrs after I take them. If u haven't tried the neurontin yet I'd say give it a chance.....first night I took it I was loopy but I woke up at 6 am laughing.....I hadnt been up and about that early w a smile in over a year! I started taking it at bedtime. After a few days I didn't get loopy and was able to take it twice a day. Same story w baclofen. Started at night until I adjusted and I take that twice a day as well. Only bummer.....if I miss either one for a day or two I go back to how I felt and boy did I forget how bad it was! Hope my opinion helps...but we are all different

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I wanted to reply to Sk8r00 & I hope you are still on this thread. I do understand where you are coming from as I had a car accident in March of 09 that turned my life upside down. The loss is overwhelming & the research you do after a point becomes maddening since everything conflicts the other eventually. Lack of sleep is one of the worst things I have known & finding a mattress that allows you to sleep is a nightmare since you don't really know what you truly have till you sleep on it. I have finally just ended up with mattress toppers since they are easy to replace & can have shipped to the house. I saw where you had mentioned a few meds & I have tried more than I care to have. A couple years prior to the accident my L-5 herniated & lucky me, it landed on the S1 nerve. A lot of what you are describing takes me back to that time except I only was able to take a week off of work & had to trudge through 6 months of nearly unbearable pain in my low back which radiated don both legs. My job involved a lot of sitting in a cubicle, research & answering other people's questions. There was far more to it but no real point to discussing something I no longer do. When I would go to see someone, go to a meeting or even on break, I would have to lay on the floor for a minimum of 5 minutes to undo what sitting in the chair had done then when I walked I had to use my right leg like a crutch to be able to do something that remotely resembled walking. I dreaded seeing my coworkers because they all felt bad & would say you really shouldn't be here or just give the looks of pity. I have never been a fan of pity but when you can't hide your problem you just kind of try to brush it off. My mom ha been trying to get me to try Neurontin but he was hesitant, finally after 6 months I had enough. The office said it may or may not work so I said I don't care, let's try it!

It took about a week & I was finally starting to walk more like a human. I would say it is definitely worth a try but I also have numerous allergies like another commenter. After the car I had to see a bunch of different doctors since everyone specializes in a different area, all in one would have been fabulous but no such luck. The one switched me to Lyrica & that gave me tremors so back to neurontin. As for pain & spasms I have run the gamut. I can say personally Soma has worked the best for the spasms but it now has some sort of stigma attache to it. I tried Flexeril which caused breathing problems, Zanaflex which did nothing & ended up with Skelaxin. Skelaxin doesn't work that good but it is better than the other 2 but the price really surprised me. Before the pain meds I wanted to mention Lexapro. The doctor knew of my lengthy allergies & decided to start me on a low dose. All I took was half a pill, I woke up at 1 am with severe pain in both arms. Let's see there was burning (like fire), numbness & I was afraid to turn on the light to look because they felt like they were swollen. I braved it & turned on the light & luckily there wasn't swelling but I couldn't use either arm or hand. I did get both damaged in the accident so I was pretty scared at this point. I managed to get the right side to be at a minimal pain but the left was horrible. I knew there was nothing I could do about it so I didn't bother anyone else since I was miserable & had to deal with it till 7 am when I finally got use back. I was at a point I was willing to have it cut off at the elbow if it would stop the pain. Actually I think that was where I thought it was going at that point. lol I can laugh now. I ha an appt with my neuro that day & he said it was a severe nerve reaction & never take it again. He trumped the other doctor & no more antidepressants for me. In the long run I have permanent problems so it wasn't to change that. I just had to learn to accept my limitations which most days I do at this point.
Now pain meds but before I get into all I have dealt with because of the injuries (back, neck, both hands, fibromyalgia, etc) I want to share a great site I came across. I found this doing research on doctors pushing certain meds & yes a found a few I had been sent to on it.

dailyfinance.com/2011/09/09/is-your-doctor-on-big-pharmas-payroll

I had finally found a really good, caring doctor. I felt completely confident in him as he had been down the same road with insurance companies & he was all about the patient. He had been the best neuro in the area but now was a working consultant due to being injured on the job. This man was still a very intelligent , well connected & understanding doctor even though he had lost part of his leg which left him confined to a wheelchair. He also developed other health problems so he was no longer able to operate. He had strong connections in the Philadelphia area & assured me that when the time came for surgery I would never hav to deal with the incompetent doctors in our area. Oh the relief! I was with him about 3 years when he unexpectedly died. My heart dropped & I felt so lost along with his other patients. I had to go to different doctors till I found one who took the time & listened/ I am happy with my current doctor but the ones in between were awful. The one group that agreed to cover my doctor's practice till it was taken over are the ones that led me to find the Big Pharma site. If they didn't want to covr they sholdn't have signed on but it was a group so pehaps some were better than others. The one I met with was not happy to be dealing with his patients & barely listened. He decided to change my pain med to Kadian which I told him I didn't want to switch & he told me he was basically doing me a favor since my doctor died, so take it or leave it. Also if I ha any problems finding the drug they ha a pharmacy they dealt with. That was my 1st clue things weren't to go well & to do some digging. I chose a day when I knew people would be home to try the pill of death. It was the lowest dose & it all went downhill from there. I felt totally exhausted, my heart rate was racing & my O2 was in the low 80's. They now have this warning in the black box, Life Threatening Respiratory Depression. I had the family really worried along with myself. The insurance company had a telenurse who wanted me to go to the hospital but I couldn't get myself there. She even called the next day to check on me because I said I would call the office that prescribed it to me instead. It took 2 calls to get the place to get the doctor on call to get back to me. He seemed distracted & said if I didn't feel comfortable taking them to take my original script & call the one who prescribed it the next morning. I called the office & when I got the return call he said he would switch it but I had to return the remainder of the script to their office. No problem & I took it back along with requesting a note from them stating they took it out of my possession. The woman wasn't pleased but as far as I'm concerned its a controlled substance & my insurance paid for it so I wasn't going to be responsible if it ended up with someone else. The new script was for basically the same thing just a different brand. I ha called the pharmacy & he said we don't carry it. I told her I didn't want it I just wanted to be sure what I had read was right & she also advised with the reaction I had that I shouldn't take. I told her I didn't plan on it. I called the doctor's office back & he said I can either take what they prescribed or not take anything. I told them I wouldn't be returning. I didn't even want to deal with doctors at this point so I held off on even seeing any. I changed my insurance & started from scratch which after the legal suit was really what I needed to do. I made the right choice & haven't had regrets since. I have found a younger healthy doctor who should be there for quite some time. Aside from near death I have had the following reactions:

Ultram- severe vomiting along with spinning room. One pill equaled a couple too many drinks.
Fentanyal Patches- Breathing problems along with extreme constipation.
Sulfa Drugs- Jaundice, reverse leg cramps (going down leg instead of up) & all joints cracking while moving. A trip to the ER which recorded it along with telling me to never take them again.
Ceclor- Anaphylaxis & an inj. at the ER.

Being as I have put more here than I had ever intended here's a good part of my diagnosis:

Paresthesias
Lumbar Radiculopathy
Mechanical Back Pain
Cervical Radiculopathy
Cervical Disk Herniation
Lumbar Disk Herniation
Spondylosis at L4-L5
Dextroscoliosis/ Lumbar Spine/ Curvature to the right
Dorsal Subluxation of the Dorsal Ulna with an effusion of the distal radioulnar joint
Synovitis- left hand & wrist
Fibromyalgia

To all of you going through chronic pain, I truly feel for you along with wishing you all the best. Be patient & find a doctor who will take the time to listen. I know they are few & far between but they are out there. Try to work with the options that are available to you but when you sense something is wrong then dig deeper & follow your instinct. Keep looking because there are many doctors out there who are on Big Pharma's payroll & all they care about is the money not you.

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Funny, who are u to tell someone else that they're being judgmental, when u flat out called someone else a addict and drug seeker? Ur seriously rude.

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Anyone who's had a problem with addiction would never say the degrading negative things you just said to someone you don't even know, you would help them and offer guidance.

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Undoubtedly u are young and ignorant of pain issues especially in people over 40 that have actually had to work for a living, or have been in an accident. I have a daughter that is just as ignorant as u about pain and addiction, I told her the same thing I told u, if she never calls again then it suits me just fine; unless she has a new attitude about other peoples suffering. If not may u both end up in the shape other people r in and have to learn this the hard way!

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Hi. If you're on gabapentin / neurontin as well for the nerve pain, maybe check to see if that's causing your memory loss. It's a very awful side effect of it but if you slowly titrate into a dose that works, starting with the 100mg 3 x a day and moving up to the 300mg, the severe memory loss doesn't happen so harshly.
I have fm, s curve scoliosis with torque still turning, herniated discs L3 through 5. spondylosis, stenosis, degenerative disc and hip disease. Severe burning in my legs every night. Been fighting the system just trying to get surgery instead of all these pills I'm on.

Switched from soma to baclofen. Vicodin to Norco. neurontin and cymbalta added. Prednisone and morphine during bad flare ups.

Soma was the only relaxer that didn't knock me out. So I was hesitant to switch. But I am so glad I did!

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You are very judgmental!! Even if this person is drug seeking, who are you to BASH them in such a manner? If you are a recovering addict I would think you would be a little more compassionate and understanding. Maybe word things a little different. Just sayin' , Oh and I have been on alprazolam for 18 years so I suppose I am a drug addict too??!!! Never mind the fact that the medication works for me like it was designed to, one of the reasons they manufacture and prescribe it. Stop being so harsh and cruel, you would not have liked to have been treated like that. Just sayin.

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Nobody needs to hear all that!

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You need to climb down from that mountain that you have put your self on mam, stop your judging on people that just ask a question, you don't have the rite to be little her for not knowing the correct name of a medication, using the letter s and she knew the miligram, you judging her , You must be a cruel hearted person to be so mean !
Who does that??? She has the rite to her opinion, I feel very sorry for you : (

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Ok Mar, you are a interesting character. For someone who seems to know everything about pharmacology, you're somewhat misinformed on narcotics. You've stated your symptoms and med history. You've stated that you were prescribed Kadian( which is a name among hundreds of names for morphine, the non-synthesized version of the main ingredient of opium), but yet you were on Fentnyl( a synthesized version of an opioid antagonist, which is up to 100 times more potent than morphine and given in micro grams vs. mlgs). Fentnyl is a synthetic opioid pain reliever mainly prescribed for cancer patients in late stages of the disease, and for people who have extreme chronic pain. This drug is given primarily in the form of a Duragesic patch. Most common doses are 12.5, 25, and 50 mcgr's an hour time release patches. It is designed to help your pain for 72 hours and typically used in conjunction with a acute pain reliever or break-through pain reliever such as hydrocodone (Vicodin), or oxycodone (by itself or with Acetaminophen (Tylenol)(Percocet). Now you said you had breathing issues on both drug's, not surprisingly so, since both drug's and all opioid drugs will cause this side effect, but what is confusing to me is that you had a racing heart beat while on Kadian? This doesn't make sense. These are both CNS depressants. They slow down both your breathing AND slow down your heart rate, and the Fentnyl should have been significantly worse for you than the Kadian, but the fact that I have to put into play your history of allergies, and your perceived hatred of the pharmaceutical industry, maybe you did have these said symptoms. But I have to admit, that's a very confusing side effect. One more thing on this topic, we all have opioid receptors in our brains, their are our own natural pain killers. Their called endorphins. That's why opioid antagonist drugs work so well, because they bind with said receptors when taken. If you have these injuries and diseases(not saying you don't), I'm really surprised that you can even function at any capacity(with the meds that you are currently on). It's seems to be you've regressed on your pain management(at least from a pharmacology point of view).

Neurotin/Gabapentin is a anticonvulsant/analgesic family of drugs, the drug reacts with the GAMA region of the brain, suppressing the nerve reactions in the brain stem and subsequently the body's nerve reactions. This has been a controversial drug, in the sense that it has been advertised to treat many ailments that haven't been proven by the FDA. This drug works for most people that have been diagnosed with nerve based pain, and is a relatively safe drug. You also said that when you took a half dose of Lexapro, that you had severe arm pain. Lexapro is an antidepressant in the SSRI family that effects the selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors. The drug increases the intrasynaptic levels of the neurotransmitter seratonin by blocking the reuptake of the neurotransmitter into the presynaptic neuron. In plain english, the drug has nothing to do with pain. It's designed to help you feel better, by making you feel happy, not depressed. Which BTW is common side effect of chronic pain. Now it's been rarely seen, but sometimes people experience myalgia as a side effect, but that symptom is rare and involves muscle pain, not nerve pain. As with any SSRI, and most antidepressants, it takes a few weeks on the drug for you to get a therapeutic response. Now to the core of this thread. Soma vs. Baclofen. These drugs do work differently. Now baclofen was designed as an anti spasticity drug, mainly helping people with M.S. and Cerebral Palsy. It effects the GAMA b receptors in the brain. This drug interacts with these receptors, giving you relief from the pain associated with muscle spasms. The nice thing about this drug vs Soma, is that it takes a lot more time and higher doses to develop a tolerance, unlike Soma. Soma (or Carisoprodol) is a drug that works on the brain also, but unlike Baclofen, Soma has more of a sedating effect and analgesic effect than Baclofen. It does help you with muscle relaxation, but it will possibly have less desirable side effects. In most of Europe, it's been taken off the market, because of the fear of abuse, dependency, and withdrawal symptoms.

The European Dr's feel that benzodiazepines are safer than Soma. Which i find extremely interesting. Since I personally think benzodiazepines can be very dangerous if taken for a long time.(my personal opinion) Both drug's can have the same CNS depressing symptoms, since that's how they work. Skelaxin and similar drug's (methocarbamol), work by blocking nerve sensations to the brain, they don't work by effecting the brain, but work by blocking signals to the brain. Thus they have less side effects, but also have a tendency to not work very well for people with severe chronic pain. Everything you have talked about taking, is mainly CNS depressant medication. And the whole anti pharmaceutical talk, I can sympathize and agree with you somewhat. But I do think that you should do more research, and give some meds a chance. Plus keep a cautious, but open mind. I feel like there's more of a mental health issue than your letting on to be. Don't get me wrong, chronic pain is extremely taxing on your mental health, I myself being a suffering patient. But you need to remember, if you're suffering so bad and want relief, you have a couple options, take meds that help you have a life, or don't, and most likely be miserable. If taken carefully and correctly, all the meds you've talked about, should allow you to have relief and get your life back.

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Don't know if you'll ever see this, but since falling down an entire flight of stairs and breaking my tailbone 16 years ago, I've tried a number of pain and muscle relaxer meds. Mainly because, oh yeah, the doc who saw me after my fall just manually pushed my tailbone back into place, never giving me an X-ray. I was still in incredible pain after a year, and finally went in for a disectomy, after having MRI s and seeing a few docs. I was on lortab, neurontin and soma then. Turns out once the doc opened me up, I actually had a ruptured L5S1 disc and was walking around bone on bone for that year. Needlesstosay, I had to have a fusion after that operation (doc wasn't prepared for that at the time, of course,) and there was, so far permanent nerve damage. Oh, and because that doc I felt read my MRI wrong, I went to a different, better one for my fusion. Anyhow, you know the reflex test docs give your foot with the little hammer? On my right foot- nada. I limp slightly, though have developed a walk where it's not as obvious. I still have my leg go out on me, but still too proud to use a cane, stupid, I know, but I'm only 55 now.

Anyhow, over the years, my L4 has become herniated more, though I've staved off another fusion by having a couple more disectomies to clear out scar tissue, etc. I've discovered neurontin gave me amnesia after awhile, so I'd advise people to be careful of that one. I tried fentanyl patches, but developed a bad rash after about 6 months from the adhesive. I just was sick of taking pills which is why my doc recommended it. Recently, my doc was out of town and I developed a bad neck spasm. I take 3 norco now and 3 soma a day and was advised to just up the dose to combat the neck spasm. I take maxalt for migraines, though have had to go to the ER on occasion for IV diauladid and toradol when the maxalt doesn't work. So, I understand bad pain. Well, with the spasm, I hadn't had that much pain since when my back was first injured. (Though still in constant pain, I've been able to cut down the dose of the lortab/norco, etc. to what it is now.) I had previously tried tramadol (huge non migraine headache from it), flexeril and skelaxin- might as well give me an MnM, and of course Percocet which worked but I was not ever able to get used to the sedative effect in order to function like I have on soma and norco. To continue, because my doc was out of town and totally U reachable according to her office- and even tho her substitute doc advised me to up my dose to treat this spasm, she was reluctant to prescribe the soma at a future date, even though, I was sure to run short doing this before my own doc returned. Figure that one out!

I think I am lucky in a way to have been on this medication for so long that my regular doc has survived the scare with me being on it. And BTW, I don't doubt the stats that some do overdose, but gosh, you could do that on cough medicine! Also, over the years I've had some months during the summer when the arthritis in my back is better where I realized I'd forgotten to take my meds so, just stopped to see how I would do.(This was before the new herniation got bad.) Honestly, there is no withdrawal, for me, from soma. I guess I don't understand the bad addiction this drug is supposed to have. As far as the lortab/norco (I take norco now only because of the Tylenol ingredient is less and it's due to some law in the state I reside) you feel just a little down and maybe have a slight stuffy nose for about 4-5 days but that's as bad as the withdrawal gets from that. I guess what I am saying is, I think these drugs get a bad rap only because there are some out there who do abuse them and die. But, if used correctly, they can be life savers. Ok, getting back to the neck spasm and the situation, this different doc tried me on Valium and baclofen when I balked about upping my soma and norco dose. It's funny how we can have different reactions to chemicals. The Valium did nothing except after about 4 hours still in pain, I'd sleep for 30 minutes, and wake, still having the spasm. The baclofen I took at night because it did help me sleep longer, but the spasm was still there. Due to a good doc at the ER he inj. a block into my neck and that made the pain manageable during the day. But before that, the sub doc, after me seeing her and calling twice about the meds not working, had her nurse tell me there was nothing more she could do. Lovely. Didn't even try to get me into a physiatrist, or a neck doc quick- nothing. (I called on my own, literally, a dozen docs to get an appt. No one could get me in for a month. My own doc would be back before then.)

So, that's why I ended up at the ER. Anyhow, long story longer, my own doc got back just when I ran out of my soma and norco 4 days early- yes I did up the dose but I knew I could see her by the time I ran out and took the meds sparingly, just to get by, but, man, it was a difficult time. The spasms lasted about 2 weeks. So, to summarize- watch that neurontin. Soma is best, at least for me, for muscle spasms and I personally don't think its the demon drug it's been made out to be. Baclofen- not impressed, nor with flexeril or skelaxin. But, unfortunately, a lot of docs are leery of soma and that's unfortunate for those that it works for most effectively. Anyhow, sorry I jumped around a bit, but hope the info helps or at least reassures someone.

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Don't you mean GABA, not GAMA?

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Thank you. I used to work for a neurosurgeon who would say "nobody ever died from pain"...that infuriated me having had 2 back surgeries & live with pain. Most doctors don't care & think everybody is a drug seeker & addict. I know my meds & I like the relief when it gets bad but due to the i****s they are letting into & out of med school who can't think for themselves, don't bother to get to know their patients, we have to suffer! My answer to him about no one die from pain was... Unless they blow their brains out!

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I'm sorry but all of ur responses are just so rude. First u call one person a drug seeker bcuz u were one, then u judge another person for their opinion and tell them to stfusb. Why post ur bile, if u can't take people giving it back to u?

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Thank you for your post notruthere I loved your reply to sk8tr. I had a failed back surgery 6 years and 3 months ago...I'm WAY worse off now. Because of my constant pain I have tried and failed many many different combinations of medications for pain, muscle relaxers, sleep, constipation..etc..etc. Its a constant battle to get help so I can live my life like a normal human being yet be as pain free as possible. It sounds like you know what I'm going through and I'm SO sorry for your suffering but I have to admit its nice knowing I'm not alone and that I'm jot the only one trying to find the right balance. I'll take any advise you may have and will gladly share with you things I have tried that works to hopefully help you out too my friend. My doctor just started me on tramadol 3 weeks ago and so far so good it really does seem to help me and thankfully I have minimal side effects...crossing my fingers. Also my Dr just switched me from soma to baclofen I just started the baclofen today so crossibg my fingers it works I hardly get any sleep at night.. :( I don't blame you for not wanting to take the baclofen, tizanadine, and tramadol that does seem like quite a lot. I am SO thankful for the tramadol though this week marked the first time in 3 years I was able to walk a whole mile...1 whole mile straight and I owe it to tramadol. I have been getting out of bed this week ibstead of being cibstantly bedridden and so depressed. This is my first time taking it I don't like taking anything that makes me feel all drugged up...know what I mean. A lot of people...who don't need these medications like we do...like that drugged up crap . I just want to have a normal life. Now the only problem I have is affording it. My ins wont pay for it and I'm out of work on disability. So I finally found the right medication to give me my life back...its a miracle I thought would never happen but I can't afford it...talk about making me cry in desperation. :(( anyways I would love to keep in touch with you for advise or help or just to have someone who knows what im going through. .I hope that's OK. : . Kari

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Amen!!!

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What state do you live in? I'm moving to MI and need a pain management Dr there and am looking for some advise. Thank you!!

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