New White Watson 853 10/325 Problem - What Is Going On!? (Page 8)
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Hello all, I am a longtime chronic pain sufferer. I have taken opiates for pain for over 10 years. I recently got a prescription filled (from a well known pharmacy chain in the U.S.) and I was given these new Watson 853 white (not yellow) hydro 10/325 pills. I wanted to ask the forum here if any of you have had the same experience with them as I have. I know there are some very smart people with advanced chemistry knowledge here that may have delved deeper into whats going on with these things. They are ineffective for me. I've taken hydrocodone 10/325 for 10+ years and have never ever had a problem with pills being ineffective but that is the case with these pills. I've had about every brand you can think of and never an issue. Ever. I thought nothing of the color change when I got the pills home from the pharmacy... I've had the yellow Watson 853's before and figured they just changed the coloring. I've seen people complain before about differences in brands before, but I've never experienced anything like that.... Mallies, Watson, Qualitst... all the same to me. I didn't start looking around for answers until I noticed these pills were not working well at all. Something is 100% wrong. Based on some initial research I do see that they have taken the yellow dye out but there are other reports from people with the same issues as I see. Obviously you just don't know how reputable some of these reports are... I've seen posts talk about pharmacists telling the patient that the pills now are structured to release hydrocodone slower (even though its an IR pill... what?)... that Actavis/Watson employees have claimed there could be "kinetic imbalances" in their formulation when upset customers have called them... etc. The only truth I know is that there is something amiss with these things. Any response would be appreciated from you guys.... experiences/info/links to other similar reports, etc. This is the most frustrating thing I have ever run into and it just doesn't make much sense to me at the moment with whats going on....and the implications this could have if these pills have been truly altered by the manufacturer in some way. I know it doesn't mean much to just say it on an internet forum, but I'm not the type to cry wolf over something like this. I realize it could be a bad batch I've received, but it looks initially like the problem is more widespread. TIA for any responses to this thread! I came here because I believe this site has people that have the intelligence/knowledge to get to the bottom of it. Again, any info at all in relation to this would be appreciated greatly.

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Amen marie. Sick of it myself. Every bone in my upper body was crushed by semi into loading dock. We all need to start litigation against watson, f.d.a.!!! Pharmacists and drs to if need be. Ritieous asses. Lazy i****s sit and stand all day. Make them get a real dam job. real work. Like carpet installing for 35 years after crushed. Fortunately i got ways to get what i need. just cost me. Rt now my shoulders, upper half back, lower back torn discs, and left arm feel like a fire raging through body. Three dam garbage watson 853 and no relief!! One yellow norco its bearable. The drs, dea, pharmacists, and f.d.a. u know nothing!!

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These are junk. This company activis needs to be investigated asap.. I don't know what they are putting in these but they are no where near the old Watson yellow 853. The same with there crap oxy A214 I'm telling you folks they are extremely different.
Whom do we can contact fda? One of these made by the real manufacturer Watson 853 pain relief with in 15-20 min. Not with these whatsoever. Complete junk. If anyone else out here is having issues with this watered down junk please let's take a stand asap.
Something is horribly wrong here. And for us folks dying this is not right!!! Noway would I be able to take 4 of the real Watson 853s in less then two hours and still have pain issues!!!!!Nothing has not touched my pain feel like I'm taking a sleeping aid pill with zero effect on my pain!!!!!!!

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I disagree, I've been on these since 6/25/2000 and the white ones work just as well as the pink ones did. You guys are going to do what you will, but the more you do, the more it's going to take and down the road, one day, it's going to cost you? For me, I don't take what I did not need, that simple, we are not in grade school anymore, it's your life, for myself, I love seeing my kids and grand kids. Stop filling people's head with s...t anyone that has real Pain, knows to do three things. 1) Get up and do the best you can 2) be honest with yourself, 3) never ever Lie about Pain and what amount you take to keep it in control, that's going to help you and your doctor find what works for you, and the amount your going to need to keep you able to have a life out here in this crazy world, peace - no one should have to hurt with all the medical meds out there today!

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BL,
I agree with what you said. 8 mgs maked sense. Kind of ridiculous that our doctors prescribe a particular drug with the particular milligram and yet the drug company is allowed to have they okay to only put X number of milligrams into it. For people with severe pain this can be very difficult. It could cause people to increase the amount of meds they take, which is not good as we all know. I firmly believe they do this as a means of cutting corners and saving money. They don't give a damn that there are patients out there suffering!

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MandyShea , I think that the pharmaceutical companies are making the generics with or close to 8 mg hydrocodone. I think that until the past few yrs that they probably were at or closer to 12 mg for hydrocodone in order to get people to chose their generic. If a brand says it has 10 mg active ingredients, that is exactly what it has. But, for generics, if it says 10 mg it can be 8 mg-12 mg and still be legal. The FDA is the one that set this range. I also think this applies to other meds as well, especially opiates.

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I completely agree with you. I think they do not work well at all! Not sure what they are doing differently but it's significant. I did come across an article about the acceptable level of active and inactive ingredients in narcotic medication (this ma be true for all meds but I can't speak to those). Apparently the FDA allows for a fairly significant margin for the levels of the actual narcotic and the inactive ingredients. I wonder if this is what's going on with the white tablets. I'm sure this would be cost productive for them if they did it in every batch. They charge the same but use less of the most important ingredient.

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Thanks for the info,you have a great day

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hoper, there are no laws stating that a dr can only write x number of schedule II pain meds at one visit for one patient. Is that what you're referring to ? Even though there are no specific laws, I think that the "within reason rule" would apply before a physician would have problems. I'm sorry I'm not sure exactly what you're asking.

As far as the letters to Congressman and Senators go, they rarely see the letters or email that are received. Office staff reads the correspondance. If something comes in that they think the politician would be interested in, they will forward it to them. But, don't hold your breath waiting for letters of this type to be forwarded to the politician. If you send a letter or email, you should receive a general form letter that has the politicians signature at the bottom that is done by a stamp or other means besides the person actually signing it.

When you ask about fillers in Zohydro ER, are you refering to fillers that can prevent the drug from being abused ? If you are, Zohydro ER is Not abuse deterrent. Hysingla ER is also a new hydrocodone extended release meds that Is abuse deterrent.

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I feel the same way. Have taken for years. The white ones don't touch my pain. It's really hard to find the yellow ones anymore, but when I do I get the yellow ones. Something is wrong with the white ones. I don't know how that can get away with this making people suffer with pain. They have to know what's going on.

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I understand that the DEA is also responsible for how many prescription narcotics are prescribed by a physician:as in if he is writing too many scripts and pharmacies filling too many narcotics

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Also I was wondering has anyone ever tried the extended release hydrocodone?I heard that they don't contain fillers

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I wasn't disputing that,I was RN for 25 years,I was asking how would you word a letter to the FDA and/ or DEA.Why not just go straight to the drug manufacturers.I'm not being facetious.I'm just saying,you could get the same information

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BigPharmaMessingWithOurMeds, Percocet (oxycodone and acetaminophen) are a little stronger than hydrocodone and acetaminophen.

hoper, the FDA has to approve all prescription meds. In 2014, the FDA made a rule that no RX med made by a pharmaceutical company could contain more than 325 mg Tylenol (acetaminophen). The FDA has to approve all prescription drugs before they can be sold in the United States, including opiate meds. The FDA approves the ingredients in these drugs and the amounts.

The DEA is in charge of how much of an opiate that a pharmaceutical company is allocated each year in order to manufacturer their opiate meds. These amounts are published each in the Federal Register and are open for public comments.

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I got the yellow ones this time.

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How do you think a letter to Senators, Councilman should be worded? Specifically, I'd like to know who regulates and controls narcotics, as far as the amount of narcotic put in tylenol, etc whether it's the DEA, FDA. Thanks.

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Well, unfortunately I don't have good news regarding these last pills I got. They make me very sleepy and do not work well at all. But, they are better than nothing. We are expecting rain tomorrow and I feel it coming. I don't know if I should ask my doctor for something stronger or not. This batch of Norco are the worst yet. They never made me sleepy before. They gave me energy and I got things done! This latest prescription barely touches the pain and soon after taking them I am taking a nap.
BL: is there anything a little stronger that I could consider that you know of?

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If you start a mail campaign with senator or representative let me know and I will follow up. There has to be an advocate somewhere that will help.

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That's a good idea,I hope there is someone represent: chronic pain etc.I am going to start with a few letters :councilman,Senate,...on a personal note,I did get a rx.Thursday of ,10/325 and from big chain store,seems to be fine.

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As my husband would say...It's great we all have these chat rooms to go to and chat but we also all need to be sending emails, letters, calls what ever you can do to CDC, DEA, Washington etc.. (Sure I'm missing places and people). The only people they are listening to are people who are complaining about drug abuse. They need to hear from an over flow of Chronic pain patients over and over again. I don't know if it will help but we shouldn't sit here and not do anything to try. Well at least that's how I feel. With each passing day more laws are being passed or guidelines being made and we can't continue this especially us who are suffering. So I ask each of you to take a moment and read up about who you can email. I know cdc has an email page. DEA I'm not sure about but checking. I know there is a way to email the president and other leaders. Do what you can do, it won't take but a few minutes. I might say even once a week and that still wouldn't take much time. Hope you all have a less painful night.

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BigPharmaMessingWithOurMeds, we do view things differently as we get older. The commercials about people that fall and can't get up have taken on a whole new meaning in recent yrs. Problems with your feet can make everything else so much worse. April is a severe weather month for us with lots of rain and tornados and we are still trying to recover from severe flooding in March.

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