Big Pharma's Lockdown On Legitimate Chronic Pain Patients (Page 2) (Top voted first)

Is narcotic pain medicine becoming a thing of the past?

Why are doctors across America phasing out the practice of prescribing effective pain medication?

Will big pharmaceutical companies ever truly understand what it's like to face the other side of the coin?

Lately there's been a musty scent in the air surrounding the use of prescribed narcotic pain medication. Many doctors appear to be running scared as the DEA scours through fields of medical records, inspecting prescribing pads like a mouse scavenges for food in a dimly lit cellar.

Should the day come when doctors recommend Ibuprofen to a feeble man who's been involved in a terrible car accident (breaking several bones / requiring extensive surgery), is this doctor at risk of malpractice when there are more effective options available that they choose not to pick, out of fear? Fear of what? Doing the right thing? No, I don't think this is the reason... Somewhere along the line, in the not too distant past, doctors were loosely prescribing narcotic pain medication as if it would never go out of style. Nowadays, the harsh penalty of potentially losing their license for writing any unknown number of opiate prescriptions over so many calendar days or some other form of strict criteria, has been enough to prevent many physicians from taking even subtle "risks" with patients who are expressing obvious signs of pain and discomfort.

The unfortunately unique problem with pain is that it's not a physical object and in order for others to detect it, they'd have to rely solely on the backbone of our body language using their intuition - something that's gone missing in western practice. If more doctors took the time and really got to know their patients front to back, then they will be their own best judge of deciding what the right thing to do is, regardless of what the DEA thinks about their decision or what their drug representative wants out of the deal. Sadly, until patients are put before profits, the foundation of America's healthcare system remains in jeopardy like an iceberg affected by global warming.

While I believe that the vast majority of human beings in their right mind would choose to do the right thing, we must all work together to become the change we wish to see within every aspect of our lives; and knowing that by doing so, it will shine light on those crossing our path that need it most.

In the meantime, some patients may have to find another way to manage their pain without putting their life or health at risk. Others are turning to natural alternatives such as kratom, cannabis, turmeric and/or implementing various lifestyle changes into their daily regime... But the key is to never give up hope.

What will you do?

Warm regards to all who face life's challenges head on.

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Claude (# 673) --

Don’t you agree that people that need narcotic pain medication don’t feel high because our body uses it to reduce pain. If we were not in pain then we might feel high. I am tired of people thinking that “we” get to walk around in a euphoric state because we get prescriptions from pain doctors. I can’t tell you the last time I felt euphoric but I can guarantee it was not after taking prescription or illicit drugs.

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Re: Hop63 (# 685)

Yes, I definitely agree with you. I have never been euphoric from the correct dose. I also am fed up with being treated like I crawled out from under a rock every time I get my prescription filled. I’m sure we are all feeling the same.

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I believe we as citizens should be outraged by the director of the CDC, and the author of the CDC’s guidelines, after he was on TV today giving an interview on CBS This morning. Something huge came out of his interview he admitted that he had a Opioid dependence issue himself he is enforcing upon the public his issues with his own addiction and is Not getting Gov backing he is requesting. So who does he go to the Media and they threw out their so many deaths from Opioid death as facts. The Guidelines need to be forcefully removed and he needs fired for Harming the Chronic Pain community!

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I'm sorry but that entire paragraph addressing variances in generic vs brand name products should be removed. The example of an 80mg OxyContin ranging anywhere between 64-96mgs is completely inaccurate information! Please whoever comes across this post do not base any decisions or discussions you have with your providers or pharmacists on this information.

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You know what pisses the hell out of me? Is why don’t the news and government or whoever, interview chronic pain patients that are legally and responsibly taking C2 pain meds and get their stories! Why don’t we ever see one damn article that talks about people like us who live day in and day out with chronic pain and depend on these meds just to get up in the morning and work and function, and how all this bulls*** will drastically affect us if they take all the C2 pain meds away from us. What are we suppose to do? Turn to illicit drugs or commit suicide if our pain is too great that we can’t even move? They just don’t want to talk about people like that. Who the hell cares? Studies have shown that people that take these meds for chronic pain are less likely to abuse them than people that take them for acute pain, broken bones, surgery, etc. In my state, they are now suing the drug manufacturer that makes OxyContin claiming false advertising, that they were misleading and people got addicted and are overdosing. What the f*****g hell. Food can be addictive, caffeinated pop as well! Let’s just stop eating! People can die anytime, anywhere, from anything, we should all just give the f*** up and lay down and die! I’m sorry I’m ranting but it just pisses me off that they are doing this! I won’t be able to work anymore if I can’t get these meds, at least not the job I have now, that I spent time and money going to school for so I can work. My dad lives in chronic pain also and his response to all this is, at least I have my gun!

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Re: Goat c (# 8)

I don't see how you can say that the dealers are all on Medicaid, unless you are able to factually correlate the horrible poverty that the income divide causes, of which we sadly cannot count anecdotal but no less true stories such as the many personal accounts of some poor person who is disabled, but chooses to go in pain to avoid hunger. But evidence built upon years of studying people like him shows us a sad story.

Is it really his own fault, his own greed? Or does the fault of a cruel system who forces both disabled and working people to be unable to make ends meet AND be able to live even a mediocre quality of life, one that doesn't include homelessness and hunger, regardless of how hard or how much you work?

After all, the sole factor of extreme poverty MIGHT make a Medicaid recipient sell his or her medication, which is much more difficult by the way, to obtain. Doctors don't prescribe the same medications or even issue the same diagnoses for Medicaid recipients, than for those with normal insurance and of the middle class, or the upper classes.

We all know that the top 1 classes refuse to have any part in this entire scenario, because they have their own doctors privately hired, on their own staff, who will not merely prescribe the necessary, but will easily grovel to provide the utterly unnecessary, and are happy to do so! Whilst that same medicaid patient lay outside his very door, dying for the lack of his necessary heart medication, because he can't find a doctor who trusts him not to sell it to eat.

The very factor of unfounded discrimination is based on the typical physician's perception, that would be something like worrying that the patient's economic fears- of things like homelessness and either going hungry, or worse, seeing their innocent children go hungry, which would force them to sell ANY medicine prescribed, even antibiotics.

Sadly, studies actually indicate that poor people otherwise, are no more eager to just do wrong for wrong's sake, than you are. I've experienced both sides of the poverty gap, and while I would never buy or sell medicine, I refuse to blame the poor for their unfortunate circumstances.

After all, I've been a poster child for many of the evils that society can cause. I've worked hard all my life, earned two Master's degrees from highly respected and even Ivy League institutions, working my way through college with extra jobs, grants, scholarships and loans, and even built up a growing and lucrative career, was well respected in my field (Business Analysis, a growing and ever-expanding field, particularly when, my software expertise can add additional knowledge and talent).

All it took for me, was one trusted man whom I knew all my life- but a few years apart made him no longer the person I knew, so he gained my deepest trust and love, then robbed me of every single penny I saved, looted my 401(k) and after raising a high value life insurance policy on me, tried brutally to take my life. It wasn't just me being a weak or a woman lacking confidence. I was a strong, independent woman, an intelligent woman who successfully ran my loving family and excelled in my field without ever having to step on my colleagues to do so, but the very fact that I survived the assault this animal committed on me so shockingly and unexpectedly, the very fact that justice is illusive for the poor, which was something I thought I would never be, having worked hard and saved-was displayed suddenly to me when police, rather than protecting me and admiring me for surviving such a brutal attack, instead proclaimed "mutual combat" which was the very day I realized that racism, bigotry, and petty jealousy existed in the places where it matters most - in our "justice system".

So the creep bailed himself out immediately by using MY money, MY savings. He didn't have to worry about affording defense attorneys. In fact, since he was not the father of my precious children, he had no roadblocks whatsoever to just picking up and walking away, leaving me severely disabled by the permanent and major brain damage his brutal beating caused me. I lost everything, from my hearing in one ear, to suffering from so many grand mal seizures which were ignored in jail, right along with my 14 broken bones, to the sexual assaults and the further hateful beatings during the next month, the refusal from jail officials to provide any semblance of health care, the deprivation of my depression medication from which unendurable withdrawal left my bleeding, damaged brain unable to allow me to understand or reason out anything except for the constant threats from my own public defense attorneys, who coldly explained "down" to me, how I MUST sign this minimally and shoddily written, this document with more interest in their next coffee break, than in the human lives now strung along like beads, onto the rope of the noose of their carelessness, else I would be forced to remain incarcerated until my trial was over, a trial they would ensure took years, that they would virtually ensure that I would be found guilty of, in that case, and hence I would be sentenced to years in prison. SIGN! Or she, (my "defense" attorney) would absolutely ensure that not only would I would never see my children again, who would be relegated to the (evil) foster system for the rest of their lives, but my infant son would be adopted out, should I even THINK of fighting these ridiculous charges, charges of what?

By this time you might think that I was being held on capital charges. First degree murder. Killing a child. Poisoning a family member. Something, anything horrible beyond human imagination!

I lost my entire life for completely false charges of "felony terroristic threats" against the police officers. (This means yelling at a police officer) Were they claiming even this of me, claiming I yelled, or even raised my voice- at the same officers to whom I had been so docilely gentle, but insistfully precise in describing the brutal assault, the very officers to whom I had been so respectful!?

The only point my voice had risen that day, was in an unending wail of sorrow as my children, my precious children whom I had raised so well that they were known for their maturity, kindness and intelligence, my sweet children, who were so roughly dragged away from my arms, even my very infant, literally torn from those loving arms, as he screamed, and was peremptorily slapped across his baby face, his mouth crumbling into a question that went unanswered, my baby boy, to be held like a sack of garbage by the officer, who roughly dragged them tearfully away from the mother they adored and admired.

They had never been hit before. They had never seen their mother cry before.

I spent a month incarcerated, repeatedly thrown naked into a refrigerated cold isolation room, when I could not stop crying, or when I begged for the medical care to cast my clearly broken bones, which stuck out at odd angles all over my body and had to be rebroken to mend properly, a month later, when I was released on my own recognizance after it became clear even to a judge, that if I remained there I would shortly be dead.

My case was profiled on CNN, but sadly, within even my short time in jail, several other victims of similar crimes died of their injuries, or the injuries further inflicted by numerous lengthy and brutal guard's beatings which weren't much different from cockfights in their betting and contestfull nature.

My point in replying to you is not to throw a pity party either for myself, or for the others who endure this very same abuse day after day.

I simply want to make the point that, poor or rich, insured privately or by medicaid, our fact here is the very same. And in fact, We are all the same. We need to remain united instead of using income, color, illness, even criminal history, to divide us.

If this is an opioid crisis I have to ask myself, is it? Is it really? Last time I looked, crisis, the very term, means that a LOT of people are affected, invariably touched, INVOLVED. If this is a true CRISIS, then we have an automatic factor in our collective favor: WE HAVE A MANY NUMBERED VOICE.

I understand that a lot of people have been disenfranchised for various reasons. We can't vote, so we feel powerless, especially when we see bills and companies and the public duped so easily, laws targetted against us, medicines, in the name of becoming tamper proof, becoming far less effective because the tamper foils also prevent metabolism of the medication being used, and dumb people are stupid enough to miss the destruction of the entire purpose of the medication, just so long as their puritanical leanings are satisfied (though they never see the need to make any sort of sacrifice themselves - for they are not sick, so they must not need to suffer as they ensure that us pain patients should happily ACCEPT our suffering. It's for our own good! We are supposed to learn a lesson and it's their gleeful job to cruelly teach us sinners that lesson!) yet puritanical attitudes like this are always rooted in the 14th century, never acknowledging the current imaging, solid evidence of genetic inheritance of painful physical conditions, denying any sort of anything that even smells of science!) I'm a proud atheist. For mankind needs no demons or devil. Humanity has proven well qualified for the job all by itself, and needs no additional help.

Mankind excels in its creation of evil all on its own.

I'm creating a peaceful and hopefully effective way for each and every one of us to fight back. History has shown us time after time, a simple but powerful lesson. It's all but engraved into the human psyche.

I am currently organizing a way to raise our collective voices to answer even the most stubbornly shut ears. Please write me back if you want to know more. Even those who are bedridden can participate, and each person has a strong, loud voice.

Don't waste a SINGLE MOMENT, because congress could ratify a bill that will endanger us ALL, in any minute.

THE TIME TO ACT IS NOW. {edited for privacy}. We have to overcome the corruption that will cause pain, take lives, and literally has the potential to break our system and country altogether.

Thank you.

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JMJ (# 433) --

I found this this morning, on the national pain report website they got a big write up on what the DEA is planning on doing, there's a link that goes to DEA docket to sign. I hope everyone can go to this article "DEA Comment Period on Opioid Quotas Ends May 4". This is going to far. I mean if American people that are able bodied & blessed to not need anything then their mistaken! Life changes in seconds and it's sad nobody understands until they are in your shoes. If I had no pain I'd still comment because their slowly taking away rights to live. Your right about the drs. I'm in same boat as you as far as what medicine works and I won't speak up again . They dismiss you if you even ask to adjust the dose and thanks to the NSAIDs I had to take I'm bleeding again and they told me to never take an Advil they I mean the dr who did the scope and seen the damage. Also rant all you want ! We all do & sometimes I make no sense on what I post because I get so angry at how this is happening but I do know there's some fighting for us and you can read that article if you have time, it's very interesting!!

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Maria (# 533) --

What I would love to understand is how a pharmacist that does not have a license to practice medicine (like a DOCTOR), does not have the records of the person that has LEGAL prescriptions call a patients Doctor to complain about the prescriptions written by a persons Doctor? What business is it of theirs UNLESS they suspect any fraudulent activity? I personally have never seen a pain Doctor EVER write a prescription for pain medications unless there was someway to JUSTIFY the prescription. I am sure there are Doctors somewhere that is over writing but that is generally not the case.

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I worked for 26 years in the medical field. In 2002, I left the medical field to work full time with our construction company, as I was just too busy to do both jobs. In 2016, I was searching for our Lead license information to satisfy our Oregon Contractors License. When I went into the Oregon Health site, the big news on the front page of that site was that 'Oregon adopts the new federal guideline for opiates.' Being inquisitive, I skipped through and read parts of the federal guidelines (i didn't have time to read the entire thing as it was over 100 pages long!) I was absolutely appalled and terrified with what I was reading!! Being in my 60's and knowing many people of my age, who suffered from chronic pain, I warned them all to just see what was going to happen. And I warned them all to NEVER tell their doctor they fell down!! Yes Opiates are highly addictive to most people, but suffering from migraines all my life. I never abused the opiates I was prescribed. I know many people who do not abuse their opiates, however with chronic conditions, they certainly need them sometimes. So, for the past 2 years, I have tried Kratom, Marijuana, and other Non Narcotic OTC drugs. Thank God for Excedrin for migraines-- it works better than any of the newfangled prescription drugs they have invented..Imetrix just about killed me in 1996 when I tried it -- my blood pressure skyrocketed to 250/150, same with Maxalt.) In 2016, I was supposedly diagnosed with fibromyalgia, and prescribed Lyrica, It made my legs and feet swell up so I could hardly walk! I have made up mind, I will not take a prescription drug that has not been on the market for at least 20 years without out terrible side effects.

Doctors don't like to hear me say that, but I swear they are either prohibited from telling us side effects, or don't listen to the news! But the truth is, we don't really find out the side effects of many of these drugs for 20 to 30 years! (Lipitor or statin drugs --which 1/4 of the US population is taking- has been linked to causing diabetes in women and to an increased risk for muscle and joint diseases!) Anyway back to the chronic pain problem: I have read about people that have had opiates prescribed by their Doctor for 10 + years and all of the sudden, the doctor has taken them off with no appropriate withdrawal plan -- just stopped!! The Doctors are scared to death of getting their licenses revoked!! (I know some as personal friends.) The federal government has gone way too far when considering the opiate issue, yes there is an epidemic of overdoses, but most of those are due to "no more opiates" which have a consistent dosage, and young people turning to heroin, where they have no idea what the strength is. (We lost my brother in law to that very issue in 1997--- 39 years old.) As for myself, I have turned to daily Tumeric (with pepper), Cinnamon, and selenium, and another supplement with several other natural anti-inflammatory herbs. When I am in really bad shape, I have to lay on my heating pad, which does seem to help a lot. But who wants to live their life in bed laying on a heating pad! Myself and many others that I know, have resorted to (when the pain is really bad) a shot or 2 of alcohol helps. (Other than a glass of wine on the holidays, I have never drank for my entire life!) I was out shopping and running errands the other day, had a whole list to take care of but at stop #1, my sciatic nerve started hurting so bad, I could hardly walk out of the store! I drove home, without getting my groceries, etc. and could not wait to take a couple of aspirin, a shot of Tequila, and lay on my heating pad!. So, instead opiate dependent adults; CONGRATULATIONS TO THE FEDS; they are creating a new epidemic of elderly alcoholics!

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Blunders and Knuckleheads in American History.

Why as a society do we bother to include history in both public and private schools? I like to think we are supposed to learn about questionable policy so as not to make the same mistakes over again!

Slavery was an American institution once.

Anyone remember what happened to Japanese American citizens during WWII? They were rounded up like dogs and placed in concentration camps.

What did prohibition accomplish? (It made Joseph Kennedy a wealthy man)...

Does anyone remember the substandard armament issued to on the front line during WWI? It's all about a French gun that was almost guaranteed to fail. THE DECISION WAS NOT LEFT THE MEN FIGHTING THE WAR. IT WAS LEFT TO THE BUREAUCRATS IN WASHINGTON!!

It is OK Uncle Sam to admit errors in judgement! How about we take a step back and take another look at this war on pharmacology. This time let us give consideration to the infirmed and incapacitated!

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Re: Roro (# 1447)

This is the M.O. of the government. Anytime you cannot arrest or go after the real criminals they go after the regular people who did nothing to deserve their treatment or being harassed by the government. If you cannot get the street drug addicts or arrest the criminals stealing their drugs from the Pharmacies or their relatives and friends you just go after the low hanging fruit, the Chronic pain patient. You take multiple test like MRI’s and CT scans. You go get second and third opinions. Then you go through their “step therapies. Once you have jumped through all of these hoops you are finally prescribed something. Now who does the government go after? The person that has done no wrong. This is the same principle that many has tried to use on the criminals that commit crimes with a gun. They cannot get a handle on the real criminals so they think if you restrict the rights of law abiding citizens they can say “look what we are doing to solve this problem. Criminals are criminals for a reason—they commit crimes and no amount of laws will ever stop them. They are criminals. Criminals get their drugs through the black market. They get their guns the same way. We need to stop attacking the innocent people so they can say “look what we are doing”. How would you like to be arrested for a crime that you can prove that you did not commit? This is what is happening to innocent Chronic pain patients everyday. Doctors are attacking people that have done no wrong. I just do not understand it. It makes no sense but they do it anyway.

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This is my take on the lockdown... In a prison setting...it is almost impossible to serve your time without breaking a law while doing it.
Example: If one person in a cell of many people breaks a rule and refuses to fess up. The guards will punish all the inmates, which in turn causes the innocent inmates to inflict their own punishment on the guilty party when no guards are around to witness it. This leaves the guards as innocent "unknowing and unseeing" bystanders to the original guilty inmate's final and ultimate and supposedly justified punishment. It's called Prison Justice. Problem solved! Reason I say this is because this is almost the same scenario that is going on with the crack down in prescription pain meds. The big pharma companies have spent billions developing drugs that work. Which they advertised to the doctors...saying these drugs are safe and not addictive. Doctor's believe this, with good intentions and pass them out as they see fit. Most patients are in legitimate pain and these drugs are a God send. BUT...you have the minority that abuse them. Then government steps in and rather than attack the original guilty player (big pharma) they punish the doctors. So...the doctors in turn punish their patients. And this leaves the government as the true punisher without having to directly inflict the original punishment on the drug companies. And the ultimate end of the story is that innocent patients get caught in the crossfire. Problem solved! Except, and we all know this...it's not solved. The patients then turn to illegal drugs and/or quasi pain in the ass herbal remedies like Kratom with mixed results. Then..once again government steps in and arrests the newly formed users who have turned to illegal street drugs. And so the saga continues... With no one left accountable and the victims of this mess are the patients. Who are the original innocent party to this horrible injustice. Thanks for reading this.

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Re: MacTurk (# 1)

I'm in the same boat, age 59, went from productively working to waiting on disability to come to fruition...Sad, I was happy, working, eating healthy....Now I eat fast food (the only food I can afford without working)....ya know, your sixties were supposed to be the years you relax, not suffer. I have no control over today's youth abusing everything. I have to suffer because of junkies...what next....food...I feel funny when I don't have it. Sometimes sick...I must be addicted....oh well....Proper use of pain medicine helps people live a productive life. Stop punishing the wrong people...

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The whole opioid crisis is as fake as it comes! It's a heroin & fentanyl crisis period! The CDC has already been caught extremely cooking the books on pharmaceutical opioid overdose deaths! This all started under the Obama administration with big pharma looking for a huge payday! All ready there has been studies by Harvard, John Hopkins, The University of North Carolina and others who completely refute this opioid crisis as a pharmaceutical opioid crisis! Less than 1% of actual opioid patients die from an overdose! So why the lie? New pills for big pharma $$$$! Since prescription rates have decreased over 41% percent in the last few years the opiate death rate has soared! But how is that possible? That's because since they ruined pharmaceutical opiates people use heroin, heroin laced fentanyl and bootleg pills laced with fentanyl! Politicians are as clueless as they come just like always. I wonder how many of them and government employees are on the big pharma payroll?

As far as medications working like they use to. Something has been done to greatly reduce the oxytocin level excreted by the pituitary gland which is around 75% of how synthetic opiates work to help tolerate pain; around 25% comes from the opiate itself! Stop all this total BS of 20% this 20% that! They've altered the medications to reduce the oxytocin levels! Any blood work for oxytocin will back up what I'm saying! Take a lot more pharmaceutical opiates and have a another blood sample taken and it will show only a negligible increase in your oxytocin levels! Time for a reality check people! Stop with all these fake conversations! It's all big pharma and government lies playing everyone for stupid just like always!!! This is an outrageous crime being committed by big pharma and our government on suffering Americans! When people talk about government over reach! This is one of the best examples that I can think of in almost 60 years of being alive!

It's all about big pharma profits first and Americans second. Our government is as low down as they come, the Obama administration started it and it seems Trump and company are continuing the big fake pharmaceutical opioid crisis lie! Just remember what I said before because it is the undeniable truth, THIS IS A HEROIN AND FENTANYL CRISIS!!! Any other story is complete BS!!! All of what I've said can be found on the internet via think tanks, college universities, medical schools and others who have spent an incredible amount of time debunking the fake pharmaceutical opioid crisis and this actual war on pain patients because that's what it has turned into entirely from a failed war on drugs and big pharma profits!!!

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A year late in my response. But it's all true. It is like prohibition in these modern times directed towards chronic p. m. patients for what reason I may I ask. We got hurt in some manner or another & as a result have to take certain meds for the rest of our lives. I am almost 60 now and after taking opioids for 27 years responsibly, is it really my fault to want to live the last 20 or so years that I have left pain free? Of course I have a dependence on some of these meds! But what do you expect after 27 years of use? Leave me alone! I have been doing fine since 1991. They want to cut me off and force me to use heroin or purchase off the streets? Wait for drug store robberies, delivery thefts & break-ins of homes. How are they going to list the deaths of those activities? Lord help us all because it's going to get worse as a result of the ways p. m. patients are going to be treated. I wish they cared about me when I put my butt on the line when I was in the army for 4 years. God bless the U. S.

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Re: Den1111 (# 411)

Did your wife have a frontal lobotomy? Because so far out of quite a few posts you haven't said squat about why her pain is evidently irrelevant to her now. Because of some new procedure no one knows about... Sounds like a bunch of BS if you're unwilling to explain anything about it other than repeating yourself over and over... Trolling comes to mind...

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Hi. My name is Carol. I was born with cerebral palsy and spina bifida. I became ill with mixed connective tissue disease when I was 11. This disease has attacked every organ in my body. I also have tranverse myelitis/multiple sclerosis. I have been in moderate pain most of my life. Never the less, with the help of morphine and Norco, I was able to become a dancer, artist and musician. A few years ago, after the FDA gave out their new guidelines for narcotic use and prescriptions, I was taken off of all my pain meds. I am now through a "pain management" clinic, able to get only 15 mgs of morphine 3x a day. Short acting. It literally does nothing. Now I am confined to a wheelchair instead of being able to work as a paralegal/law researcher, which I was able to do perfectly with 300 mgs of morphine a day. The doctors will not fight back against the FDA and the DEA, but rather cave in to their ridiculous guidelines. Why they put up with this is beyond me if they care about their patient's quality of life.

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Re: Ktb (# 430)

House, Claude, Ktb, thank you for info, advice and taking time to respond. Some are put into wheelchairs because of lack of treatment. Makes me angry. Seems PM works out well for many, so I should just shut up and quit ranting against it. I consider myself rather open minded, with standards, but see I am not so open minded about many things. I have a tendency to dig my heals in and not consider options, when I really should do just THAT.! So many good people on here, seeking information, and lending a hand to others. I like that. Never seen a forum quite like this. At times we get snarky, but for the most part everyone is well intended. Thanks again to all who take a moment to respond to my rather, at times, stupid posts. And to those who share info, and empathy. JMJ

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Den, you want us to help you get the word out? You haven't told us what "the word" is!

You do not sound legit to me at all. In fact you sound like a troll and maybe a scammer, repeating this story about your wife over and over. People here are very savvy. We've all been put through the wringer several times. We know which end is up, ok? You become indignant at Mark when he questioned you. You told him he needs brain surgery. What are you, a bored teenager in your parent's basement? Go pedal your crap elsewhere, and don't insult our collective intelligence.

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Natasha (# 436) --

Natasha, I find it is very disturbing to have someone come into this thread, claim amazing treatment and not disclose the treatment. Why bother, if you are not willing to SHARE THE TREATMENT, so it can be a benefit to others! ????

If I wanted to help others, if I found a miracle cure, the CURE would be platsered all over all my posts. If we could get off the opiate train, if appropriate for us, WE WOULD! Why in the world would we choose to endure the humiliations we are going through now? If there is a miracle cure....just name it already! Please!

C'mon Den, we've all but begged. Being somewhat savvy in the world of medicine and meds, at least pertaining to my own condition, it feels quite clearly, you are holding back. A miracle cure, which shall not be named....right. Our skepticism clearly annoys you, Den, yet you do nothing to clear the air. Sorry for the treatment, but you do see the rub, don't you?

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Hi sir iam a having hbv from last 5 years but dont have much symptoms but from last few days iam having pain in liver ar...

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